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this radio for the masses at Lyon abyss

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in July 1947

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he's on the air forces has announced

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that a flying death has been found and

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is now in the possession of the RA

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the game is rigged change the game

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I occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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this is fade to black with your host

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Jimmy Church on the game changer radio

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network and K GRA

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you have to get to the year nineteen

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fine

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you are listening to fade to black with

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Jimmy judge on the game changing that

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good evening fade to black yeah men

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Monday we're back what a weekend what a

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today is Monday February 12th 2018 43

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days into the new year just 322 days

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left we are live from a bunker somewhere

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in downtown Burbank California and I

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would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the United States hither and

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thither to and fro back and forth up and

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down east and west north and south far

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and near this is fade to black for KJ

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see ours a game changer network in Katy

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RA the planet I am your host Jimmy

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Church what is crackin how you doin

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all right lost my pipes three days in a

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row too you know so it's coming back

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it's coming back but but what a great

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weekend and you only lose your your

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voice you know if you're out there

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yelling and screaming and doing that

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thing like we just did for the last

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three days and it's pretty funny because

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when I wake up in the morning and after

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you know these these days that we just

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cranked together out of the conscious

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life I turn to Rita and I go morning

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that's it I got no pipes and she's like

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ah ha ha ha I don't have to hear Jimmy

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at least for the next hour and then you

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know it eventually you know it comes

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back lozenges and and coffee coffee that

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takes care of it so there you go we're

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back an amazing weekend that we just

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spent out at the conscious life Expo

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down at LAX more about that in just a

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bit I did post a few pictures over on my

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Facebook page today and I know that you

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guys wanted to see something so I posted

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a few we've got a time

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and Brad Harris too has got a bunch of

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amazing pics he was uh he was our

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official staff photographer for the

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weekend and so I had him in tow he's got

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some amazing stuff so we'll have all of

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that together for our show on Wednesday

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night okay so we've got things shifted

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around just a bit for this week and so

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let me lay down the schedule tonight

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Travis Walton is here okay so that's

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tonight tomorrow night and we're gonna

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do a special tribute to John Anthony

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West that'll be tomorrow night dr.

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Robert Schoch is going to be here with

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this and also chance gardener live from

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Australia so to the gentleman that

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worked so closely with John over the

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past cheese man you know 20 years or 30

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years for for shock and so that'll be

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tomorrow night and so we put this

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together for you guys we did a tribute

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of for John Anthony West and Jim Mars at

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conscious life Expo and if you were

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there and caught it I think that you

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know and I posted a picture by the way

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moment if you were there what we did is

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we got a Jim Marrs fedora and we got a

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pith hat

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you know John Anthony West pith helmet

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hit that and we hung those on two empty

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seats two microphones and and you know

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hearing everybody speak about John

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thing but the audience that was there

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and it was it was it was it was packed

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and that was so cool that that many

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people could be there and and and

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capture because I I think the photograph

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that I posted on Facebook captures that

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that it did because I was a you know it

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was rough it was rough for all of us to

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go through that just to think the first

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chair there that was next to me on stage

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I just remember a couple of conscious

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life expose I remember one specifically

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that's where Jim Marrs sat and to turn

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around and do that it was just an

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emotional moment and I think everybody

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there was able to just you know just

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have a little moment and think about

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those two now but this was the thing and

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I'm gonna get to the Dr Pepper story

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here in a minute but I put a couple of

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water but you know bottles of water out

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in front of the microphones too you know

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chairs the other the microphones their

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hats and I thought how cool would it be

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if one of those bottles of water just

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fell over just got knocked over and they

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were there they were there was a really

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cool moment so anyway that will be

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tomorrow night Wednesday night is going

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to be fate or night now let me explain I

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know we did this last week but Thank You

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Martha for posting that let me get this

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up you can see here that's uh there

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there it is so we did uh there it is now

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there's Linda you can William Henry next

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to Linda and there's David Wilcock and

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Corey Goode and and and there's jaws and

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and Mars sitting down at the end it was

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moment okay thank you for posting that

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mark I just retweeted that out for

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everybody and Oh Michelle thank you for

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posting this okay I'll retweet that

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really quick and I'll explain what this

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picture is that's why that's a man right

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there that's when I hung Jim Marrs has

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had I hadn't done jaws yet

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and I had a lump in my throat I almost

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didn't get through that I had to just

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cut it short

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that old thing bland and it didn't

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happen because I got all got all

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couldn't get it out but there it is

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thank you for posting that Michelle

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that's really cool and okay now where am

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I so Fey tonight we're gonna do a recap

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of conscious life Expo like we do every

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year so that'll be on Wednesday there's

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a reason why we had to move that up and

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so we'll have all the photos and images

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and friends and we'll take phone calls

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and we'll do all of that because

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Richard wanted to fully analyze and

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breakdown the Richard Doty phone call he

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wanted to break it down so that's what

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we're gonna do on Thursday night Dolan's

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all the points in that phone call which

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I have listened to now went back and I

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listened to the entire thing and and I

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started catching things that I didn't

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remember so that's what we're gonna do

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okay so that's our week here on fader

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block it's gonna be great so just hang

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out with us don't forget to follow us on

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twitter at jh radio simple ITA church

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radio and hashtag f2 B is the sandbox so

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you can come and join in on all of the

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conversations we use TweetDeck and get

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yourself TweetDeck come and hang out any

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questions or comments for myself or

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Travis tonight use hashtag f2b q okay

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Sheila will hung Williams just weed it

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out is there gonna be a show tonight yes

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yes Sheila there is going to be a show

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tonight Travis Walton is our guest any

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questions or comments you can do that

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through email too as well Jimmy and

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Jimmy church radio calm okay so the big

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news and you have to excuse me

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my throat is is a little shot out and

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the only thing that will fix that is

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River moon coffee there you go

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big shout out to Juanita and Jeff now we

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had breakfast with them this morning

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before they hit the road and I'm sure

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that they are listening to us right now

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and River moon coffee what what a great

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weekend with those two so drive safe

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guys and keep us posted and send us a

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tweet out some pictures from the road I

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want to remind everybody though that

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don't forget to sign up for our soul

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tech gathering it's gonna be up at ISA T

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ranch this August 9th through the 12th

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and this is the deal we did 50 special

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tickets discounted for the first 50

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people to sign up and I'm not joking

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here this is it 47 in the last few days

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so that's it 47 there's only I think and

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don't hold me to this but right now

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there's three left that's it maybe two I

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didn't get a chance to check right

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before show time so we were at 47 and so

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there you go we're only selling 300

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tickets we're not selling 301 we are

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that's it three hundred attendees for

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the Soul Tech gathering now all you have

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to do is go to Seoul tech gathering

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dot-com Seoul tech gathering comm we

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have the links up and you can just go

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and it's right there in Twitter it's

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over on Jimmy Church radio calm go and

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get your tickets it's gonna sell out

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like I said we're not going to do 301 or

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305 tickets that's it it's only 300 we

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want this to be small intimate fun and I

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want everybody to learn something I want

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you to get there and and make friends

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and and have these memories that will

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last a lifetime because look what I left

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when what Rita and I left with from ESET

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II I'll never forget ever and we want

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you to do the same thing and if you've

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been to II said II before then you are

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going

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to go to the soul tag because you know

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exactly what we're talking about but

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there you go it's August 9th through the

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12th ok 2018 soul tech gathering dot-com

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and all right so where am I at our next

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event

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now that conscious life Expo is behind

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us

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our next event contact in the desert the

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as far as UFO conferences go hit

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knowledge all of that stuff conspiracy

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the biggest event of the year and it's

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going to be in Indian Wells Palm Springs

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at the Renaissance Resort & Spa

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so excited about this we only do a few

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events every year and conscious life

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Expo contact in the desert we may you

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know we may do a couple of other things

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this year just it just depends on

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scheduling and and stuff so but these

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are the two events and it's coming up in

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June 1st through the 4th 2018 and the

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links are all over the place or at Jimmy

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Church radio.com they're hearing Twitter

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and you can go to contact in the desert

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changed tea River moon coffee new farmer

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they were all at the conscious life expo

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was really great to see all of the fader

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nots at those booths and hanging out

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and having people come up literally go

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dude you're Ronnie McMullen from life

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change T's so cool he's a tall guy - I

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had no idea

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chip Hall was their new Pharma great

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great time that we had with everybody

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dude did you guys see the periscopes

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that we had done over the weekend and

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I'll get to that in a second

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that I've never done that before so and

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I was sober I you know I went back and I

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watched a piece of the periscope and I I

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was tired because I just worked right

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for eight nine ten hours I was tired but

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I was sober and I was thinking my demise

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oh I'm walking through the bar I'm

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acting like a clown and I'm wondering if

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everybody just thinks I'm I'm plowed

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right now I was stone-cold sober when I

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was shot oh man what a great time what a

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great time okay let's get this show

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cracking happy birthday to today Josh

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Brolin is 50 I can't believe it No

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Country for Old Men great movie but he

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was really good at men in black 3 happy

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birthday

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today I have to do this Charles Darwin

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1809 to 1882 died at the age of 73 as I

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said it out loud

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his book the Origin of Species first

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introduced that concept of natural

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selection and I would say that today

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Darwin Darwin has taken a back seat

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that's it all right

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I got it off my chest on this day in

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history OTD 1976 actor Sal Mineo is

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stabbed to death in Hollywood California

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they didn't catch the killer for two

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years yeah that was a crowd that was

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that was just insane fader fact in 1719

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now this

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is a fader fact now listen to me in 1719

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prisoners in Paris France were offered

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freedom release from prison if they

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married a prostitute and moved to

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Louisiana then that is a fader fact also

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explains an awful lot ya betta fight

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tonight Travis Walton is here tomorrow

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night John Anthony West special tribute

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with a dr. Robert Schoch and chance

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garden there live from us too earlier

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Wednesday night is gonna be fate or

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night this week well we're gonna do a

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conscious life Expo recap show Thursday

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night Richard Dolan is here and Richard

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is gonna talk a little Dodie Richard

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Dolan talking Richard Doty we're gonna

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break down that surprise phone call that

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came in was that last week who was that

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two weeks ago man where does the time go

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we're gonna do that this Thursday all

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right now that's what I want to do I'm

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gonna say a couple of things really

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quick and then I want to tell a funny

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story about what happened at conscious

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life Expo first thing last week I posted

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this this thing about Tom DeLonge all

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right and I realize the impact that that

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post has has made and I do know about

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cosmic disclosure and what David Wilcock

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posted there stillness of the storm and

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Justin to shamp and he posted which

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caught my eyes first and then things

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have just spun out of control since then

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and I didn't I knew that there was going

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to be impact there had to be because

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this community is is very smart but I go

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to the conscious live Expo

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with Rita and I'm gonna say this bar

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none bar none every researcher that came

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up to me every author it didn't didn't

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matter that came up to me to say hey

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it's good to see you the next thing that

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they said was Tom DeLonge what is going

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on and it was why these are great

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pictures it was the topic of

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conversation and you have to remember

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that these these people of our community

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these friends that that are part of us

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they are going to police themselves and

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this thing is being talked about it did

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not go away I know that Tom would love

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for it to go away and those in his

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organization and they did the

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boilerplate release on that and they

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just thought that okay you know it's

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it's it's a nothing burger well no it's

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a something burger and so that was a I

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mean I I I was forced into talking about

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it for for three or four days and we're

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gonna analyze this and break this down

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and try to figure out what's going on as

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the days move ahead and I know that

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there are those out there that want me

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to comment on it now the bottom line I

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said what I said last week on the show I

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posted what I posted and it's just as

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simple as this in the interest of

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transparency for those that did not know

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that that picture was a balloon that

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they used in their video live feed

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presentation it's as simple as that

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that's that's it and you can't show a

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picture of a balloon to this community

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and tell us that that is a UFO you can't

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do it and that's it and and the silence

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from

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is deafening you need to fully explain

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yourself and come forward and and and

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put this thing out there that's that's

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it okay so more on that in the future

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but that's my comment for today and and

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no I have not heard back from Tom

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DeLonge okay all right now let's have

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some fun guys want to have some fun Lisa

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breath one of our dear friends and at

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this point after this weekend she's our

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dearest Lisa friend I'm holding this up

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to the camera I did it before the show

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but I'm gonna do it again and somebody

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post the picture of Don Jose this is

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this is Jose okay

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she gifted me this this massive

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beautiful perfect perfect crystal skull

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right okay so we do the you know the

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little ceremony and we kind of do this

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thing and and after that she gift and I

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was you know it was a really cool moment

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as she gives me this guy and and I can't

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tell you it's just I don't know how big

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it looks but it's just he's massive he's

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he's got a lot of juice going on so Rita

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and I we go back to our room and we we

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crawl into bed and we had some food

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right we're gonna eat and it's about 1

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o'clock in the morning so we're just

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gonna you know munch out really quick

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and talk about the day and then crash

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and and get back to work so we had some

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buffalo wings and some sliders and some

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french fries and you know and I ordered

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room service which delivered us some

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dessert and we had some cake and a

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couple of bottles of water and a couple

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of bottles of dr. pepper well okay so

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over and now we're in the middle of this

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bed it's king-size bed so three three

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feet to my left is the nightstand way

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over

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there I've got Jose the skull in bed

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with us and we're looking at him and I

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take the bottle of dr. pepper I unscrew

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the top I take a swig full bottle of

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doctor you know heavy bomb and I set it

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over on the nightstand and then I turn

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to read and we continue eating my back

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is to the nightstand and as we are

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sitting there talking about Jose this

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beautiful skull I was like what is that

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and I turn around and the bottle of dr.

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pepper that was sitting in the middle of

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the night stand

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is gone and I lean over

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I have to lean way over and I look and

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it's on the floor standing up up right

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next to the bed and I thought wow that's

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kind of weird so I pick it up and I put

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it back on the nightstand I turn to Rita

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and and you know man these wings are

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good man these sliders are so good and

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you know this Crystal Skull so no and I

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turn around and the bottle of dr. pepper

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has fallen for the second time and I

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lean over and it's in the exact same

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spot landed on its bottom sis standing I

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pick it up and now I move I don't put it

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at the edge and I'm kind of you know

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this is a weird thing and so I don't set

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it in the middle of the nightstand

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I set it up on top of the lamp where

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this other bottle of dr. pepper that was

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full that I never finished his sitting

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there it hasn't fallen over it's just

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sitting there so I put it next to the

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other bottle of dr. pepper that I didn't

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finish and I turn to Rita I said man

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these wings man this there's this about

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Wow oh these sliders

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no three times in like three minutes I

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turn around and look and it's on the

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floor it's on the floor and I take the

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skull I take Jose and I'm like I got a

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you can't sleep with this man I dig him

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out of the bed and I move them across

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the room and put him next to of the TV

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set in front of us and I get the bottle

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of dr. pepper Rita wants to see it she

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looks at the bottom it's all fine

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there's you know sound wet or anything

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it's it's it's it's you know and I take

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it and I put it back on the nightstand

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and we're tripping out now now this is

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official you know poltergeist territory

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there's something weird going on and you

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have to remember I turn my back my back

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you know and it's like three feet behind

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it was weird so anyway we go to sleep

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woke up in the morning dr. pepper on the

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floor and there's my conscious life Expo

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hotel room crystal skull dr. pepper

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story and it really happened and I and

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when I say it really happened it's it's

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kind of selves weird saying it but it

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was it was pretty cool it was it was fun

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I I enjoyed them oh we were laughing you

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know and so yeah yeah Jose Jose doesn't

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like dr. pepper apparently that is the

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case or I was being told not to drink

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dr. pepper it was it was great I you

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know and so those little things when

519
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they happen like that you have to you

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know so what what were the things that

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were different for us nothing there

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wasn't any poltergeist activity before

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Jose entered the hotel room and I'm

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going there I'm going there so cool he's

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oh yeah yeah see itd is a 100%

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kid-friendly there's a lot of kids there

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absolutely bring the kids and that's

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from Drew

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bring the kids would love to meet

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everybody but yeah the the Crystal Skull

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thing it's it's a wonderful experience

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to go through and I do want to thank

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Lisa and that night Nancy and and Karen

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myself Rita and Lisa we did we were

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taught the the the skull ceremony and

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00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:12,150
how to do that it was very cool all of

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that was a lot of fun and that's when

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Jose named himself he didn't have a name

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and it happened during that ceremony

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weird stuff man

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I just Rita and I have the the best life

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and the best friends just thank you all

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of you for that all right tonight Travis

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Walton is back Travis Walton is here and

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so we'll be right back with Travis

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tomorrow night John Anthony West we're

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gonna do a special tribute with dr.

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Robert Schoch and chance gardener

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Wednesday night is going to be our fate

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or night this week so don't freak out we

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got to do it Wednesday we're gonna do a

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conscious life Expo recap with images

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and fun and stories and then Thursday

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night will be Richard Dolan so it's

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going to be Richard Dolan breaking down

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the Richard Doty bomb call that's right

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this is fade to black i'm your host

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jimmy church i'll be right back with our

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guest Travis Walton stay with us

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hi this is Rob Reiner Fernando and

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comments and we're listening the Shamy

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all right welcome back

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fade to black I mean those Jimmy Church

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now we haven't had travel we've had

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Travis on the show many times over the

636
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years but we haven't added a full show

637
00:34:01,630 --> 00:33:59,780
with Travis and I can't even believe

638
00:34:04,450 --> 00:34:01,640
it's been almost four years we're gonna

639
00:34:08,380 --> 00:34:04,460
talk about that in just a bit and yeah

640
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he was just a logger when that abduction

641
00:34:14,770 --> 00:34:12,110
happened by UFO on November 5th 1975

642
00:34:18,010 --> 00:34:14,780
while working with his logging crew in

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00:34:20,830 --> 00:34:18,020
the apache-sitgreaves National Forest in

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00:34:23,919 --> 00:34:20,840
Arizona he could not be found

645
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:23,929
but reappeared after a five-day search

646
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:26,210
and of course the case received

647
00:34:31,740 --> 00:34:28,490
mainstream publicity and remains one of

648
00:34:34,690 --> 00:34:31,750
the best-known instances of an abduction

649
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:34,700
UFO historian and Jerome Clark writes

650
00:34:39,940 --> 00:34:36,410
that few abduction reports have

651
00:34:41,980 --> 00:34:39,950
generated this kind of controversy well

652
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:41,990
we're gonna go through that tonight a

653
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:45,169
little bit but I just want to know how

654
00:34:49,810 --> 00:34:47,810
Travis is and where he is at today and

655
00:34:52,510 --> 00:34:49,820
what Heath and what he thinks about our

656
00:34:55,780 --> 00:34:52,520
UFO community and what's going on with

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00:34:57,550 --> 00:34:55,790
disclosure and and we're gonna go from

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00:34:59,320 --> 00:34:57,560
front to back with all of that and I

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00:34:59,560 --> 00:34:59,330
would like to welcome back to fade to

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black

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our good friend Travis Walton Travis

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00:35:06,910 --> 00:35:04,820
it's been four years since we've done a

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00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:06,920
full show together we've done lots of

664
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:09,770
shows with you at different events but

665
00:35:14,710 --> 00:35:12,530
this is the first time in four years

666
00:35:17,380 --> 00:35:14,720
III don't know where the time has gone

667
00:35:18,910 --> 00:35:17,390
did you know it's been that long no it

668
00:35:20,890 --> 00:35:18,920
doesn't seem that long but it's great to

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00:35:23,740 --> 00:35:20,900
be back Jimmy I know is it we'll see

670
00:35:25,870 --> 00:35:23,750
this is the thing Travis is that we we

671
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:25,880
hang out you know all the remote

672
00:35:30,250 --> 00:35:28,400
broadcasts that we do in conferences so

673
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:30,260
we get to see each other and do

674
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:33,680
interviews but it's been it's been four

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00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:35,690
years Wow Wow

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00:35:41,350 --> 00:35:36,810
you know

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I won't let it happen again okay now

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Travis I wanted to start here and and as

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as you know but our audience doesn't you

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00:35:51,860 --> 00:35:49,950
and I have been able to you know have

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00:35:54,020 --> 00:35:51,870
lunch and breakfast and hang out and

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00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:54,030
talk and and and do those things

683
00:35:58,970 --> 00:35:56,970
together as friends and we've had some

684
00:36:02,540 --> 00:35:58,980
you know some really fun really cool

685
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:02,550
personal conversations but one of the

686
00:36:07,460 --> 00:36:05,040
things I don't know if this has ever

687
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:07,470
been asked of you directly because I

688
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:09,690
will do it privately but now I'm here

689
00:36:18,890 --> 00:36:13,410
and it's this now that you've had this

690
00:36:23,450 --> 00:36:18,900
much time to reflect and go back I want

691
00:36:27,710 --> 00:36:23,460
to ask how it has changed you how have

692
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:27,720
you changed all the way up to today you

693
00:36:34,940 --> 00:36:32,640
know how them change right right yeah I

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00:36:37,610 --> 00:36:34,950
mean I've gone through so many changes

695
00:36:42,530 --> 00:36:37,620
you know over the years and been through

696
00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:42,540
so much I set out to not to try to not

697
00:36:50,030 --> 00:36:46,730
let it change me too much you know I

698
00:36:53,870 --> 00:36:50,040
doctor harder had done some hypnosis

699
00:36:57,740 --> 00:36:53,880
with Betty hill and when he was had me

700
00:37:01,270 --> 00:36:57,750
in there for hypnosis he put me on the

701
00:37:04,730 --> 00:37:01,280
phone with her and that was one of the

702
00:37:09,860 --> 00:37:04,740
recommendations you know that she made

703
00:37:12,410 --> 00:37:09,870
is don't don't let them change you you

704
00:37:16,070 --> 00:37:12,420
know don't let them the way she put it

705
00:37:18,860 --> 00:37:16,080
is don't let them make you make a parody

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00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:18,870
of yourself right and I I thought long

707
00:37:25,300 --> 00:37:21,530
and hard about what she meant by that

708
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:25,310
and well you what did she mean by that

709
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:29,370
well you know you have to look at the

710
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:32,010
kinds of pressures that somebody in our

711
00:37:37,790 --> 00:37:35,730
position come under you know in the

712
00:37:41,450 --> 00:37:37,800
course of going public with this and

713
00:37:47,890 --> 00:37:41,460
fighting back against skeptics and you

714
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:47,900
know fellow experiencers and you know I

715
00:37:53,779 --> 00:37:50,400
have a you know

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00:37:57,289 --> 00:37:53,789
come face-to-face me before very long to

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00:38:00,130 --> 00:37:57,299
face the fact that although there's a

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00:38:06,670 --> 00:38:00,140
huge number of people who have had

719
00:38:18,019 --> 00:38:12,019
reports that are you know less than then

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00:38:20,420 --> 00:38:18,029
real right right right and the markers

721
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:20,430
love that you know they they always

722
00:38:25,339 --> 00:38:22,410
thought that if they could prove any one

723
00:38:28,279 --> 00:38:25,349
case to be a meteor or weather balloon

724
00:38:31,609 --> 00:38:28,289
or a planet or anything other than what

725
00:38:35,150 --> 00:38:31,619
it was believed to be that they had

726
00:38:38,089 --> 00:38:35,160
somehow solved the entire mystery but

727
00:38:45,069 --> 00:38:38,099
that's you know just real faulty logic

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00:38:48,529 --> 00:38:45,079
and I'm go ahead yeah well I remember

729
00:38:52,730 --> 00:38:48,539
you and I you had said to me you you

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pulled me aside privately we're at an

731
00:38:56,420 --> 00:38:54,599
event together but you said to me you

732
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:56,430
said to me you know I just wanted to say

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00:39:03,319 --> 00:39:00,480
you know sometimes I feel that our

734
00:39:05,809 --> 00:39:03,329
community there's there's some stuff out

735
00:39:10,789 --> 00:39:05,819
there that that isn't right it isn't

736
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:10,799
correct and I can't align myself with

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00:39:14,420 --> 00:39:12,930
those you didn't give me names and I

738
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:14,430
didn't have but them but what you were

739
00:39:18,049 --> 00:39:16,170
trying to you were like giving me a

740
00:39:22,339 --> 00:39:18,059
little a little warning you know I'm the

741
00:39:26,539 --> 00:39:22,349
I'm the kid you're here that you're my

742
00:39:28,250 --> 00:39:26,549
mentor at that moment and and obviously

743
00:39:30,349 --> 00:39:28,260
you have heard things over the years

744
00:39:32,809 --> 00:39:30,359
where you've step back and you were

745
00:39:37,309 --> 00:39:32,819
saying to yourself that's that's not the

746
00:39:40,370 --> 00:39:37,319
case and well you know failure to prove

747
00:39:43,970 --> 00:39:40,380
that it get happened or you know to you

748
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:43,980
know provide overwhelming evidence to to

749
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:46,410
come down on that side of it doesn't in

750
00:39:52,549 --> 00:39:49,730
any way you know disprove it and and

751
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:52,559
that's again you know the faulty

752
00:40:00,740 --> 00:39:54,720
reasoning that the debunkers used they

753
00:40:03,770 --> 00:40:00,750
they like to take the unproven as the

754
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:03,780
absolute equivalent of disproven

755
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:06,240
and you know that's just not the way it

756
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:08,880
works you know you go into a court of

757
00:40:14,300 --> 00:40:09,570
law

758
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:14,310
and failure to convict doesn't it hasn't

759
00:40:18,589 --> 00:40:15,690
established innocent

760
00:40:26,180 --> 00:40:18,599
it's just failed to establish guilt you

761
00:40:27,650 --> 00:40:26,190
know right yeah Oh J for example and why

762
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:27,660
is that

763
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:32,130
I have I okay I'm gonna and I have a

764
00:40:37,580 --> 00:40:34,650
long explanation for this question I'm

765
00:40:40,580 --> 00:40:37,590
going to try to avoid that but I have

766
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:40,590
been asked many times you know Jimmy

767
00:40:45,980 --> 00:40:42,450
okay what's what's the number one number

768
00:40:49,250 --> 00:40:45,990
two number three cases for you and and

769
00:40:52,370 --> 00:40:49,260
you always come up right that that's

770
00:40:55,790 --> 00:40:52,380
that's you're one of those cases but

771
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:55,800
then people back up and always want

772
00:41:02,120 --> 00:40:59,760
proof and my response when it comes to

773
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:02,130
you Travis what did you want Travis to

774
00:41:12,020 --> 00:41:05,040
do come back with a Zeta Reticuli

775
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:12,030
t-shirt I constantly asked oh by the way

776
00:41:17,150 --> 00:41:14,010
did you happen to take anything with you

777
00:41:21,950 --> 00:41:17,160
like oh yeah I didn't I just forgot to

778
00:41:26,329 --> 00:41:21,960
mention it so now you know doctor harder

779
00:41:28,599 --> 00:41:26,339
made the point that the evidence in my

780
00:41:32,180 --> 00:41:28,609
case would have been sufficient to

781
00:41:34,609 --> 00:41:32,190
convict somebody of murder right to to

782
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:34,619
inflict the death penalty on somebody

783
00:41:39,010 --> 00:41:37,050
that it's it's that kind of certainty

784
00:41:42,829 --> 00:41:39,020
you know if you had six witnesses

785
00:41:44,210 --> 00:41:42,839
without lie-detector test you know it

786
00:41:47,420 --> 00:41:44,220
would be considered an open-and-shut

787
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:47,430
case that nobody would would doubt but

788
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:50,640
all of a sudden when it involves other

789
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:54,240
worlds then suddenly the burden is just

790
00:42:00,079 --> 00:41:56,690
beyond ridiculous you know they consider

791
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:00,089
nothing to be proof I guess do you have

792
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:02,490
a Zeta Reticuli t-shirt that you haven't

793
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:05,970
whipped out no but you know if you look

794
00:42:13,180 --> 00:42:10,410
at the evidence in in the aggregate it's

795
00:42:16,339 --> 00:42:13,190
overwhelming I mean it's it's beyond

796
00:42:17,210 --> 00:42:16,349
anything that anybody would dispute if

797
00:42:20,130 --> 00:42:17,220
it wasn't

798
00:42:22,799 --> 00:42:20,140
Volvo's and railings you know and what

799
00:42:25,319 --> 00:42:22,809
about a really quick snowflake in

800
00:42:27,930 --> 00:42:25,329
general and that area

801
00:42:31,940 --> 00:42:27,940
have there been additional sightings out

802
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:31,950
there and have you seen anything in

803
00:42:37,650 --> 00:42:35,200
there have an additional sightings in

804
00:42:40,260 --> 00:42:37,660
this area and you know it goes way back

805
00:42:42,569 --> 00:42:40,270
into prehistory too but that's not

806
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:42,579
unusual I don't think snowflake in any

807
00:42:49,530 --> 00:42:45,970
way stands out as being unique you know

808
00:42:52,260 --> 00:42:49,540
there may be a preference of this you

809
00:42:55,770 --> 00:42:52,270
know activity of these beings for for

810
00:42:59,630 --> 00:42:55,780
remote areas or it might just be that

811
00:43:04,650 --> 00:42:59,640
you know that the open skies you know

812
00:43:08,780 --> 00:43:04,660
favor sightings but I really think you

813
00:43:12,270 --> 00:43:08,790
know over the years I've had reports in

814
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:12,280
emails and letters from all over the

815
00:43:17,579 --> 00:43:14,530
world and you know this there's just no

816
00:43:21,420 --> 00:43:17,589
one area where this predominates you

817
00:43:27,180 --> 00:43:21,430
know it's it's an earth-based phenomenon

818
00:43:30,690 --> 00:43:27,190
of course but it's huge yeah and going

819
00:43:32,849 --> 00:43:30,700
back to my same thought from the

820
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:32,859
beginning of my first question which is

821
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:35,170
you've had so much time to reflect now

822
00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:38,770
and we've all read fire in the sky and

823
00:43:46,020 --> 00:43:43,569
so when between that book where I

824
00:43:48,059 --> 00:43:46,030
remember you saying that it was just hey

825
00:43:52,380 --> 00:43:48,069
it was just a day right it was just a

826
00:43:56,490 --> 00:43:52,390
normal day just an ordinary worker did

827
00:43:59,339 --> 00:43:56,500
an ordinary day so but now from fire in

828
00:44:02,520 --> 00:43:59,349
the sky and the experience to today and

829
00:44:04,740 --> 00:44:02,530
looking back has your memories stirred a

830
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:04,750
little bit was there something that made

831
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:08,079
that day just a little bit different no

832
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:10,480
not really not not until we saw that

833
00:44:16,380 --> 00:44:14,410
glow coming through the trees but that

834
00:44:19,170 --> 00:44:16,390
definitely changed everything and

835
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:19,180
changed our lives forever I mean you

836
00:44:25,530 --> 00:44:21,450
know that everybody on the crew was just

837
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:25,540
transformed and now some of the crew has

838
00:44:30,430 --> 00:44:28,690
has come forward lately and fascinating

839
00:44:32,980 --> 00:44:30,440
stuff too as well

840
00:44:34,990 --> 00:44:32,990
conversations and and you can feel the

841
00:44:39,220 --> 00:44:35,000
emotion you weren't the only one

842
00:44:41,559 --> 00:44:39,230
affected by this they all were the can

843
00:44:47,319 --> 00:44:41,569
can you take us through that where where

844
00:44:49,900 --> 00:44:47,329
is everybody today from the team well we

845
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:49,910
weren't a close knit group of friends

846
00:44:58,859 --> 00:44:54,050
you know and because the incident ended

847
00:45:01,000 --> 00:44:58,869
the job it sort of broke up the the

848
00:45:07,890 --> 00:45:01,010
collaboration you know we did get

849
00:45:09,970 --> 00:45:07,900
together for you know media events

850
00:45:14,020 --> 00:45:09,980
interviews and that sort of thing on

851
00:45:19,540 --> 00:45:14,030
occasion but a lot of us just pretty

852
00:45:21,609 --> 00:45:19,550
much went our separate ways a couple of

853
00:45:26,170 --> 00:45:21,619
the crew have passed away

854
00:45:28,780 --> 00:45:26,180
Allen Dallas had a heart attack well I

855
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:28,790
guess both of them you know Dwayne Smith

856
00:45:39,819 --> 00:45:37,520
also and it was kind of strange the way

857
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:39,829
that came off you know I'd been looking

858
00:45:46,180 --> 00:45:42,290
for Dwayne Smith he just kind of

859
00:45:52,030 --> 00:45:46,190
disappeared and you know I guess over

860
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:52,040
the years had lost touch and I had a ex

861
00:45:58,750 --> 00:45:55,490
police officer friend who had a private

862
00:46:02,349 --> 00:45:58,760
detective friend who tracked Dwayne

863
00:46:05,559 --> 00:46:02,359
Smith down and I did up a phone

864
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:05,569
interview with him and talked to him

865
00:46:09,460 --> 00:46:07,609
about the possibility of him coming out

866
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:09,470
and doing interviews with me and you

867
00:46:14,859 --> 00:46:13,490
know I'm talking about what happened

868
00:46:16,329 --> 00:46:14,869
back then you know because you know

869
00:46:19,059 --> 00:46:16,339
people want to hear from their

870
00:46:22,300 --> 00:46:19,069
perspective too and I'm so glad I take

871
00:46:27,339 --> 00:46:22,310
that interview with him because before

872
00:46:30,099 --> 00:46:27,349
we could actually you know make real our

873
00:46:35,140 --> 00:46:30,109
plan to you know have him come out and

874
00:46:39,069 --> 00:46:35,150
speak with me he had a heart attack and

875
00:46:42,970 --> 00:46:39,079
died right Wow Wow

876
00:46:44,260 --> 00:46:42,980
and this is in the documentary - by the

877
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:44,270
way Travis's

878
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:46,880
extraordinary Jennifer sign did such a

879
00:46:53,230 --> 00:46:50,930
good job on that yes yeah it is it is

880
00:46:55,300 --> 00:46:53,240
and even for me when I thought that I

881
00:46:57,580 --> 00:46:55,310
knew everything about the case and you

882
00:47:02,440 --> 00:46:57,590
know I've been hanging out with you and

883
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:02,450
I thought no that that film hit it right

884
00:47:06,910 --> 00:47:04,880
are and you just said it was great but

885
00:47:10,750 --> 00:47:06,920
is there anything that you would change

886
00:47:12,490 --> 00:47:10,760
or maybe that that was missing from the

887
00:47:15,630 --> 00:47:12,500
film and you know you can always fine

888
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:15,640
tune things I get that well you know

889
00:47:24,070 --> 00:47:18,560
some of the research is actually ongoing

890
00:47:30,340 --> 00:47:24,080
but you know it was very interesting

891
00:47:32,980 --> 00:47:30,350
that they had included the aspects of

892
00:47:34,810 --> 00:47:32,990
the accelerated tree growth that you

893
00:47:37,150 --> 00:47:34,820
know hadn't really been given been given

894
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:37,160
adequate attention in the past right

895
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:39,650
that there was accelerated growth of the

896
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:42,770
trees nearest where it happened

897
00:47:48,460 --> 00:47:44,480
but and we'd known that for some years

898
00:47:51,940 --> 00:47:48,470
but what was discovered more recently as

899
00:47:55,780 --> 00:47:51,950
the effect was more directional that the

900
00:47:59,340 --> 00:47:55,790
three layers on the side of the tree

901
00:48:02,890 --> 00:47:59,350
towards where the craft had been were

902
00:48:05,650 --> 00:48:02,900
had a greater amount of this accelerated

903
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:05,660
growth and in the opposite side of the

904
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:09,440
tree had a reduced amount of accelerated

905
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:12,170
growth if they catch my meaning right

906
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:15,370
right you know a tree produces one

907
00:48:23,010 --> 00:48:19,280
growth ring for each year but in the

908
00:48:31,060 --> 00:48:23,020
case of these trees they were producing

909
00:48:33,310 --> 00:48:31,070
mmm greatly increased growth rate on the

910
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:33,320
side of the tree towards where the craft

911
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:36,010
had been and and you know you could

912
00:48:43,390 --> 00:48:39,410
trace the the trees on the edge of the

913
00:48:49,150 --> 00:48:43,400
clearing and a circumference from where

914
00:48:53,590 --> 00:48:49,160
the craft had been and it it wasn't

915
00:48:56,260 --> 00:48:53,600
consistent with any direction of the

916
00:48:57,070 --> 00:48:56,270
compass it was all pointed back towards

917
00:49:01,980 --> 00:48:57,080
that

918
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:01,990
craft as being the center cause of this

919
00:49:08,940 --> 00:49:06,770
accelerated growth the oh that was a big

920
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:08,950
leap forward because you know until then

921
00:49:13,990 --> 00:49:11,450
because the core sample the first core

922
00:49:17,740 --> 00:49:14,000
sample that had been taken was done in a

923
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:17,750
way to minimize damage to the tree it

924
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:22,610
wasn't discovered that the effect was

925
00:49:29,380 --> 00:49:25,760
directional so that was very interesting

926
00:49:33,850 --> 00:49:29,390
and then some additional information

927
00:49:36,570 --> 00:49:33,860
that this effect was observed in the

928
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:36,580
pine trees around the Chernobyl nuclear

929
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:39,680
accident so it's associated with the

930
00:49:46,540 --> 00:49:42,010
effect of radiation on pine trees and

931
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:46,550
shouldn't that type of comparison and

932
00:49:52,930 --> 00:49:50,330
analysis from that location and

933
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:52,940
snowflake and that data collected be

934
00:50:01,180 --> 00:49:56,930
used in other you know evidence

935
00:50:02,770 --> 00:50:01,190
collection points of of different UFO

936
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:02,780
sightings so maybe there was a

937
00:50:07,330 --> 00:50:04,880
consistency of what is going on not just

938
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:07,340
you know the changes in snowflake that

939
00:50:11,950 --> 00:50:10,130
you know proves would happen there with

940
00:50:14,890 --> 00:50:11,960
you or helps you know support the case

941
00:50:17,310 --> 00:50:14,900
but that this should be used with other

942
00:50:21,940 --> 00:50:17,320
with other sightings around the world

943
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:21,950
yeah yeah I think that's you know a lead

944
00:50:30,670 --> 00:50:26,000
that needs to be followed up on Jennifer

945
00:50:35,050 --> 00:50:30,680
in doing the research for the Travis

946
00:50:37,450 --> 00:50:35,060
film tried to get the interest of the

947
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:37,460
tree-ring laboratory at the University

948
00:50:47,950 --> 00:50:40,730
of Arizona but they even though that was

949
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:47,960
her alma mater where I apparently put

950
00:50:55,630 --> 00:50:53,090
off by the by the UFO aspect of the yeah

951
00:50:58,750 --> 00:50:55,640
you know as soon as that comes into play

952
00:51:02,290 --> 00:50:58,760
right as soon as that comes into play

953
00:51:05,470 --> 00:51:02,300
all beds are off and yes there there are

954
00:51:09,060 --> 00:51:05,480
other scientific objectivity or at least

955
00:51:11,940 --> 00:51:09,070
their curiosity gets blunted somehow

956
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:11,950
just say something else right what

957
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:15,370
caused this I had a flat tire okay we

958
00:51:20,340 --> 00:51:17,650
can look into this flat tires are

959
00:51:22,830 --> 00:51:20,350
causing causing stunted tree growth okay

960
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:22,840
you'll get that report but you know

961
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:27,210
bringing UFO I wanted to ask you this

962
00:51:34,950 --> 00:51:31,810
have you are you concerned ever that

963
00:51:38,580 --> 00:51:34,960
they may come back and and try to find

964
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:38,590
you oh yeah I was extremely worried

965
00:51:43,470 --> 00:51:39,970
about that in the immediate aftermath

966
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:43,480
you know terrified to go out into the

967
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:46,000
woods or you know out at night and that

968
00:51:55,380 --> 00:51:48,970
kind of stuff but you know as time went

969
00:51:57,810 --> 00:51:55,390
on and reoccurrences didn't manifest I I

970
00:52:02,310 --> 00:51:57,820
sort of relaxed quite a bit on that

971
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:02,320
issue but there was a subsequent

972
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:05,770
sighting of another craft that my

973
00:52:11,250 --> 00:52:08,050
reaction revealed to me that

974
00:52:14,580 --> 00:52:11,260
subconsciously at least I must have had

975
00:52:19,590 --> 00:52:14,590
some lingering concern about that

976
00:52:28,460 --> 00:52:19,600
destroyer issue this was in 2014 I had

977
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:28,470
attended us talk at Burbank MUFON in La

978
00:52:33,500 --> 00:52:31,210
Jan Harrison had just recently become

979
00:52:36,690 --> 00:52:33,510
the head of MUFON and he gave a talk and

980
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:36,700
so did Tracy Torme the screenwriter on

981
00:52:43,350 --> 00:52:39,760
fire in the sky and you know I was in

982
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:43,360
attendance and after this talk we were

983
00:52:47,820 --> 00:52:46,330
headed up to five to you know connect

984
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:47,830
with the freeway to get back to Arizona

985
00:52:56,220 --> 00:52:52,000
and this these three lights started

986
00:52:58,560 --> 00:52:56,230
coming towards us and and the closer I

987
00:53:04,350 --> 00:52:58,570
got the more this was obviously

988
00:53:09,030 --> 00:53:04,360
something quite unusual it was a giant

989
00:53:12,420 --> 00:53:09,040
black triangle why it had a light on

990
00:53:14,730 --> 00:53:12,430
each of the three points it came out us

991
00:53:18,540 --> 00:53:14,740
very rapidly and it was huge

992
00:53:21,420 --> 00:53:18,550
it was a Singh was huge and it's I was

993
00:53:22,110 --> 00:53:21,430
amazed at how quickly it could stop and

994
00:53:26,340 --> 00:53:22,120
it's

995
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:26,350
right over the top of us but this is the

996
00:53:32,130 --> 00:53:29,490
thing I'm they brought this up is that

997
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:32,140
my son was driving and he says do it

998
00:53:37,170 --> 00:53:34,330
should we pull over did a picture or

999
00:53:40,830 --> 00:53:37,180
something I said no keep going and I'm

1000
00:53:45,720 --> 00:53:40,840
wishing that I had not done that you

1001
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:45,730
know I wish I had got a picture but the

1002
00:53:54,330 --> 00:53:52,570
fact that I said keep going you know

1003
00:53:56,850 --> 00:53:54,340
reveal to me that I was more nervous

1004
00:54:00,210 --> 00:53:56,860
about recurrence than I had thought

1005
00:54:02,430 --> 00:54:00,220
right but I wouldn't have related this

1006
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:02,440
this story to anybody because there was

1007
00:54:09,570 --> 00:54:05,200
only me and two other witnesses my son

1008
00:54:11,820 --> 00:54:09,580
and one other person right but my other

1009
00:54:15,420 --> 00:54:11,830
son when we got back to Arizona found a

1010
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:15,430
website that I never heard of but it was

1011
00:54:21,830 --> 00:54:18,400
one that takes you off Oh reports and

1012
00:54:25,020 --> 00:54:21,840
there was over a dozen people

1013
00:54:27,420 --> 00:54:25,030
independently reporting sighting that

1014
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:27,430
object at that time in place this

1015
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:29,050
website was set up kind of like Google

1016
00:54:33,420 --> 00:54:31,330
Maps where there's little circles with

1017
00:54:35,820 --> 00:54:33,430
numbers and them for each of the reports

1018
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:35,830
and and everybody right around there I

1019
00:54:42,180 --> 00:54:39,210
saw this same thing so you know we had

1020
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:42,190
at least a dozen other witnesses so I

1021
00:54:49,590 --> 00:54:46,210
you know felt good about going public

1022
00:54:53,730 --> 00:54:49,600
with this sighting yeah I remember that

1023
00:54:57,300 --> 00:54:53,740
night when you spoke here and with Tracy

1024
00:54:59,460 --> 00:54:57,310
I was on the air that night and you were

1025
00:55:01,980 --> 00:54:59,470
I think you're on fade to black to talk

1026
00:55:04,740 --> 00:55:01,990
about you you know coming to Burbank is

1027
00:55:08,990 --> 00:55:04,750
Ron Burbank right down the street I had

1028
00:55:11,460 --> 00:55:09,000
no idea that that happened afterwards

1029
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:11,470
that's that's pretty crazy

1030
00:55:17,730 --> 00:55:14,170
let me yeah let me ask you this though

1031
00:55:21,810 --> 00:55:17,740
do you think a that there was a

1032
00:55:25,260 --> 00:55:21,820
connection to going back to 75 number

1033
00:55:27,090 --> 00:55:25,270
one and if you do think that do you do

1034
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:27,100
you do you think that they knew it was

1035
00:55:33,540 --> 00:55:31,690
you in the car well yeah you know it

1036
00:55:35,220 --> 00:55:33,550
might seem kind of a mystical because

1037
00:55:35,970 --> 00:55:35,230
you know this is happening over a city

1038
00:55:39,150 --> 00:55:35,980
like

1039
00:55:42,690 --> 00:55:39,160
la you know millions of people but the

1040
00:55:45,150 --> 00:55:42,700
odds against them stopping directly over

1041
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:45,160
the top of us what what are the odds you

1042
00:55:49,470 --> 00:55:47,650
know it could have stopped anywhere but

1043
00:55:51,870 --> 00:55:49,480
they stopped directly over the top of us

1044
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:51,880
and the point of the trial that was

1045
00:55:57,650 --> 00:55:53,440
pointed in the direction that it had

1046
00:56:01,800 --> 00:55:57,660
been travelling rotated in place until

1047
00:56:04,530 --> 00:56:01,810
that point of the craft was pointed

1048
00:56:07,590 --> 00:56:04,540
towards the Pacific and then it shot off

1049
00:56:10,980 --> 00:56:07,600
in that direction and so I really do

1050
00:56:14,490 --> 00:56:10,990
think that somehow they knew we were

1051
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:14,500
there now I know I made the joke of Zeta

1052
00:56:21,660 --> 00:56:18,640
Reticuli I was you know just trying to

1053
00:56:24,359 --> 00:56:21,670
make a point about the proof but now

1054
00:56:25,890 --> 00:56:24,369
looking back and I again I want to do

1055
00:56:27,930 --> 00:56:25,900
this for the rest of the you know

1056
00:56:29,670 --> 00:56:27,940
looking back let's try to assess you

1057
00:56:32,430 --> 00:56:29,680
know from where we are today you've had

1058
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:32,440
so much time to think about it did did

1059
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:34,960
they reveal where they were from is have

1060
00:56:42,690 --> 00:56:36,970
you ever tried to figure that out

1061
00:56:44,849 --> 00:56:42,700
no I was you know basically screaming

1062
00:56:48,270 --> 00:56:44,859
babbling all kinds of questions pleading

1063
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:48,280
begging you know to discover what my

1064
00:56:54,390 --> 00:56:50,890
situation was I you know I had no idea

1065
00:56:56,700 --> 00:56:54,400
whether I was in you know really bad

1066
00:56:59,040 --> 00:56:56,710
danger or you know what what my

1067
00:57:01,020 --> 00:56:59,050
situation was but I didn't get a get an

1068
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:01,030
answer to that question our guest

1069
00:57:05,700 --> 00:57:03,760
tonight is Travis Walton and you know

1070
00:57:07,890 --> 00:57:05,710
we're just gonna do an open-ended

1071
00:57:10,020 --> 00:57:07,900
conversation between friends so we're

1072
00:57:12,270 --> 00:57:10,030
gonna continue this right after this

1073
00:57:15,150 --> 00:57:12,280
short break this is paid to blackmails

1074
00:57:19,470 --> 00:57:15,160
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all right welcome back fade to black I'm

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night vision you know night vision you

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know gone out to do a sky well I'd say

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that some of these sky watches where

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they actually have some night vision

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equipment pointed skyward and it's

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really amazing a lot of stuff that goes

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on up there that if you have the right

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frequency this stuff that is not

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normally visible to the naked eyes going

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on right over our heads I know it's

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pretty incredible isn't it it does it

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affect you emotionally when you go

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through that oh yeah I mean I've never

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been abducted right I've never had I

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don't think a one-on-one encounter but

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maybe I have but if I had gone through

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something like your experience and then

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go out there with night vision I mean

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because I'm emotionally affected by it

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without you know the history yeah and so

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the do you remember three years ago out

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01:02:47,820 --> 01:02:46,060
of contact you were there with us when

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all of those sightings were going off

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01:02:51,870 --> 01:02:49,300
that night did you happen to see

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01:02:56,970 --> 01:02:51,880
anything on that sad were you out there

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01:03:00,030 --> 01:02:56,980
with every every my everybody I heard

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01:03:03,780 --> 01:03:00,040
about it but I didn't it was pretty

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nutty man if it got a little out of

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control there for a second yeah because

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I've often you know wondered for those

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01:03:15,330 --> 01:03:12,550
out there because you have the you have

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if you've never done it before and

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you're out there for the first time it's

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it's an epiphany it's a life-changing

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01:03:24,090 --> 01:03:21,670
thing but if you're somebody that's gone

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through some some experiences in the

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past you know how that would affect them

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emotionally I you know it's like

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visiting a crimes

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you know would you want to go and do

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that again or would you back off of it

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but to be aware of something with is

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it's so so certain in your mind that you

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know as a matter of fact to you and it's

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astounding and amazing to others it's

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it's it's two different worlds yeah

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absolutely

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now no I've always wanted to ask you

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this when you see other depictions maybe

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artwork could be movies or what-have-you

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of different you know Gray's or Nordics

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or you know different depictions of ET

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do you look at it and go no that's not

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they're doing their best some of them I

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say that doesn't look familiar but one

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thing that I wanted to take the

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opportunity to do on your show was to

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see if I could get people to come

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forward who were additional witnesses to

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that giant black triangle just just

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especially if they had told someone else

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wrote it down or reported it to someone

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this was February 19th or 20th of 2014

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it was on a Tuesday

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it was Tuesday night okay and so anybody

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else that saw this independent of us

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especially if they reported it or any

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way have some sort of reference from

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that time I'd appreciate hearing from

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them yeah absolutely you can contact me

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and I will up pass everything on to

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Travis you can contact Travis directly

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too as well but I'll take care of that

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and to nail this down that Tuesday night

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you Parrs ends at nine o'clock you know

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by 10 o'clock you guys had probably left

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so you jumped on the five freeway right

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after the presentation with a Torme yeah

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okay so edit north and

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you know hadn't gone too far up there

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I'd say we're about what five ten miles

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okay

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and so that's the geographical were you

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in the mountains yet were you in to the

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grapevine we were we weren't like to the

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mountains yet okay so you think be

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coming from the mountains at first right

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01:06:17,830 --> 01:06:15,080
and what's it's you know I don't know if

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01:06:20,710 --> 01:06:17,840
you know this well you probably do now

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01:06:22,990 --> 01:06:20,720
because of the sighting but if you

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01:06:25,030 --> 01:06:23,000
continue in that direction right on the

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01:06:28,750 --> 01:06:25,040
other side of those mountains is the

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Mojave Desert skunkworks right all of

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01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:31,250
the top secret programs that are going

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01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:34,370
on out there and and if if

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01:06:38,620 --> 01:06:36,410
et's gonna go and observe there's a lot

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01:06:41,170 --> 01:06:38,630
of sightings out here and i think it's

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directly connected to that that they

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01:06:46,660 --> 01:06:43,550
would do yeah you know and i'm not so

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01:06:50,980 --> 01:06:46,670
certain that it isn't some secret and

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01:06:55,210 --> 01:06:50,990
military weapon but even if that is the

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01:06:56,410 --> 01:06:55,220
case i think they were deliberately

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01:06:58,180 --> 01:06:56,420
putting it on a show for us

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01:07:01,210 --> 01:06:58,190
i mean it was just too big of a

1254
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:01,220
coincidence for them to stop dead right

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01:07:06,090 --> 01:07:03,250
over the top of us and and make a

1256
01:07:09,700 --> 01:07:06,100
right-angle turn how big was it

1257
01:07:12,010 --> 01:07:09,710
it was huge I remember saying that it

1258
01:07:14,500 --> 01:07:12,020
was bigger than a Walmart but you know

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01:07:16,330 --> 01:07:14,510
it was it looked you know eighth of a

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01:07:19,510 --> 01:07:16,340
mile across or something it was gigantic

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01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:19,520
and there was a similar sighting here a

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01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:22,610
week or so ago in this area but it

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01:07:28,330 --> 01:07:25,970
wasn't reported as being that big I

1264
01:07:31,270 --> 01:07:28,340
didn't see it but people would saw it

1265
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:31,280
and now you're on the five freeway so

1266
01:07:35,380 --> 01:07:32,690
there's traffic

1267
01:07:38,650 --> 01:07:35,390
yeah yeah you weren't the only witness

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01:07:41,290 --> 01:07:38,660
or this is the crazy part right maybe it

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01:07:45,850 --> 01:07:41,300
was just for you maybe nobody else saw

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01:07:48,670 --> 01:07:45,860
it well that would be except they did

1271
01:07:51,010 --> 01:07:48,680
report it that's right that's right

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01:07:53,020 --> 01:07:51,020
UFO stalker calm there was at least a

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01:07:55,270 --> 01:07:53,030
dozen maybe fifteen other witnesses by

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01:07:57,610 --> 01:07:55,280
the next morning and these these are

1275
01:08:01,560 --> 01:07:57,620
reports that are

1276
01:08:06,190 --> 01:08:01,570
you know each person makes their own

1277
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:06,200
report so to me it it was a surprising

1278
01:08:11,970 --> 01:08:09,050
but that many people would be even aware

1279
01:08:14,940 --> 01:08:11,980
of this particular place to report

1280
01:08:18,070 --> 01:08:14,950
because you know there's a variety of

1281
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:18,080
collection data collection sites and

1282
01:08:26,170 --> 01:08:21,050
whatnot but here you know this happened

1283
01:08:28,210 --> 01:08:26,180
to me all those years before and I'd

1284
01:08:31,599 --> 01:08:28,220
never heard of UFO stalker not common so

1285
01:08:35,440 --> 01:08:31,609
right right right well I'm definitely

1286
01:08:37,510 --> 01:08:35,450
gonna look into that and there was a I'm

1287
01:08:39,190 --> 01:08:37,520
looking here on Twitter by the way and

1288
01:08:42,490 --> 01:08:39,200
the amount of questions that are coming

1289
01:08:45,070 --> 01:08:42,500
in from the audience is extraordinary so

1290
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I'm gonna jump back and forth and try to

1291
01:08:51,579 --> 01:08:47,270
get some of these in for everybody and

1292
01:08:53,829 --> 01:08:51,589
one of them is is pretty interesting so

1293
01:08:55,690 --> 01:08:53,839
again it goes back to the reflection

1294
01:09:01,270 --> 01:08:55,700
thing and you've had a lot of time to

1295
01:09:03,849 --> 01:09:01,280
look back on November 5th 1975 you as

1296
01:09:07,390 --> 01:09:03,859
you guys approached and and you saw

1297
01:09:12,099 --> 01:09:07,400
something up in the distance looking

1298
01:09:16,750 --> 01:09:12,109
back do you think that was accidental in

1299
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:16,760
that you came upon this craft or could

1300
01:09:21,370 --> 01:09:19,130
it have been the opposite could they

1301
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:21,380
have been waiting for you then maybe

1302
01:09:25,630 --> 01:09:23,570
they saw your truck lights coming up the

1303
01:09:28,480 --> 01:09:25,640
road which way do you think you know

1304
01:09:32,740 --> 01:09:28,490
more a long time I really favored the

1305
01:09:35,500 --> 01:09:32,750
accidental intersection there that

1306
01:09:37,450 --> 01:09:35,510
theory I I guess I preferred it because

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01:09:40,599 --> 01:09:37,460
if it was accidental

1308
01:09:43,780 --> 01:09:40,609
then it less likely to happen again you

1309
01:09:46,690 --> 01:09:43,790
know that they were singling us out in

1310
01:09:49,650 --> 01:09:46,700
any way but a couple of the guys on the

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01:09:57,900 --> 01:09:54,700
Stephen and Alan Messina think that they

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01:10:04,450 --> 01:09:57,910
were these beings were waiting for us

1313
01:10:07,540 --> 01:10:04,460
now they also had the theory that I was

1314
01:10:10,030 --> 01:10:07,550
under outside control the reason I got

1315
01:10:11,419 --> 01:10:10,040
out of the truck and they didn't was

1316
01:10:20,629 --> 01:10:11,429
that

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01:10:25,399 --> 01:10:20,639
effect and I said well no it felt to me

1318
01:10:30,109 --> 01:10:25,409
like it was my idea but you know Steve

1319
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:30,119
says well if they have a mind control

1320
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:32,449
they can make you think it's your idea

1321
01:10:38,509 --> 01:10:36,570
so it's kind of a hard to argue it's a

1322
01:10:40,729 --> 01:10:38,519
circular argument there it is

1323
01:10:42,949 --> 01:10:40,739
that's why laughed it was just like well

1324
01:10:45,729 --> 01:10:42,959
they yeah he was convinced it was his

1325
01:10:52,910 --> 01:10:50,689
now shoot straight with me for a second

1326
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:52,920
I know well you always do but and it's

1327
01:11:00,410 --> 01:10:56,610
this would you get out of the truck if

1328
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:00,420
this happened again no I would not I I

1329
01:11:03,649 --> 01:11:03,090
can understand why I would do such a

1330
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:03,659
thing

1331
01:11:11,179 --> 01:11:05,610
you know it seems like it's a crazy

1332
01:11:14,330 --> 01:11:11,189
thing to do at the time and something I

1333
01:11:17,089 --> 01:11:14,340
live to regret and you know I think part

1334
01:11:19,310 --> 01:11:17,099
of the reason Steve and Alan and some of

1335
01:11:21,649 --> 01:11:19,320
those guys were trying to come up with

1336
01:11:24,529 --> 01:11:21,659
reasons that I got out and they didn't

1337
01:11:26,689 --> 01:11:24,539
is that people asked him how come you

1338
01:11:27,919 --> 01:11:26,699
didn't get out and I don't know maybe

1339
01:11:31,429 --> 01:11:27,929
they're making me an excuse for not

1340
01:11:33,469 --> 01:11:31,439
getting out but but I think it's more

1341
01:11:35,509 --> 01:11:33,479
likely getting an excuse for doing such

1342
01:11:41,029 --> 01:11:35,519
a crazy thing well they only got out

1343
01:11:44,299 --> 01:11:41,039
after it was gone so you know that was

1344
01:11:47,509 --> 01:11:44,309
always something funny to me because I

1345
01:11:48,979 --> 01:11:47,519
think that's a natural response I think

1346
01:11:51,679 --> 01:11:48,989
that everything that the way that it

1347
01:11:53,959 --> 01:11:51,689
went down was probably how we would go

1348
01:11:57,799 --> 01:11:53,969
down with any group of guys in a truck

1349
01:11:59,449 --> 01:11:57,809
going through that same experience well

1350
01:12:02,120 --> 01:11:59,459
you know the follow-up research it was

1351
01:12:03,979 --> 01:12:02,130
just accidental it took forever to even

1352
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:03,989
discover that it was the accelerated

1353
01:12:12,859 --> 01:12:07,650
tree growth but I had a team of people

1354
01:12:16,429 --> 01:12:12,869
doing looking at geological surveys and

1355
01:12:18,620 --> 01:12:16,439
you know underground water sources

1356
01:12:22,199 --> 01:12:18,630
everything trying to figure out why

1357
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:22,209
would the aliens be there

1358
01:12:29,489 --> 01:12:26,170
right you know there's a herd of wild

1359
01:12:33,529 --> 01:12:29,499
horses that live in that vicinity and

1360
01:12:36,209 --> 01:12:33,539
the the Mustang the the head stallion

1361
01:12:42,390 --> 01:12:36,219
marks his territory in a particular way

1362
01:12:46,859 --> 01:12:42,400
and it he puts it his mound right there

1363
01:12:49,709 --> 01:12:46,869
at the turnoff on that road that we came

1364
01:12:52,319 --> 01:12:49,719
down now whether there's any connection

1365
01:12:54,689 --> 01:12:52,329
between these wild horses and and this

1366
01:12:59,160 --> 01:12:54,699
activity I don't know we're looking at

1367
01:13:04,410 --> 01:12:59,170
everything you know I did an interview

1368
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:04,420
here recently with Rob Lowe and his sons

1369
01:13:12,959 --> 01:13:08,130
right on up right apparently show and

1370
01:13:15,509 --> 01:13:12,969
when the the show aired in between my

1371
01:13:17,580 --> 01:13:15,519
segments it was kind of a two-parter my

1372
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:17,590
segments and then there was a lady that

1373
01:13:25,529 --> 01:13:22,449
did stuff about lightning and Rob Lowe

1374
01:13:28,759 --> 01:13:25,539
said Travis told me that the aliens were

1375
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:28,769
in that area looking for father Mike

1376
01:13:34,319 --> 01:13:31,570
well I know I never said that to Rob

1377
01:13:37,229 --> 01:13:34,329
Lowe because I didn't never heard a

1378
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:37,239
fogger Mike until I saw the show but I

1379
01:13:43,589 --> 01:13:39,610
looked it up online and I found out that

1380
01:13:48,350 --> 01:13:43,599
you know it's a mineral that is formed

1381
01:13:51,359 --> 01:13:48,360
when lightning strikes the ground now

1382
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:51,369
the mo yan rim area right there has the

1383
01:13:57,239 --> 01:13:54,010
highest frequency of lightning strikes

1384
01:14:00,270 --> 01:13:57,249
of any place in the continental United

1385
01:14:01,290 --> 01:14:00,280
States outside of the Everglades and you

1386
01:14:03,290 --> 01:14:01,300
know anything that happens in the

1387
01:14:07,790 --> 01:14:03,300
Everglades is probably over water but

1388
01:14:11,129 --> 01:14:07,800
when when lightning this incredible

1389
01:14:18,929 --> 01:14:11,139
voltage and in temperature hits the

1390
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:18,939
ground it melts the sand together in in

1391
01:14:26,750 --> 01:14:23,170
in a non geological way it formed

1392
01:14:29,850 --> 01:14:26,760
substances that you just don't get from

1393
01:14:31,259 --> 01:14:29,860
natural processes or anything other than

1394
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:31,269
lightning strike which I guess is

1395
01:14:35,819 --> 01:14:35,530
natural but but even though I didn't say

1396
01:14:38,669 --> 01:14:35,829
that

1397
01:14:39,989 --> 01:14:38,679
I think it's a pretty good theory you

1398
01:14:42,299 --> 01:14:39,999
know that maybe that's what they were

1399
01:14:45,029 --> 01:14:42,309
after because that is something that we

1400
01:14:47,819 --> 01:14:45,039
unique about that area this is high

1401
01:14:50,819 --> 01:14:47,829
frequency of lightning strikes you know

1402
01:14:54,719 --> 01:14:50,829
it's responsible for a lot of forest

1403
01:14:57,629 --> 01:14:54,729
fires and and whatnot and you can walk

1404
01:15:01,349 --> 01:14:57,639
down the high ridge road there the rim

1405
01:15:03,779 --> 01:15:01,359
road and you're you're basically within

1406
01:15:08,099 --> 01:15:03,789
sight of more than one tree that's been

1407
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:08,109
hit by lightning at any one time so I

1408
01:15:12,899 --> 01:15:10,570
can see that millions of volts in

1409
01:15:15,989 --> 01:15:12,909
extreme temperatures could form

1410
01:15:20,729 --> 01:15:15,999
substances that might be of interest to

1411
01:15:24,839 --> 01:15:20,739
these beings that would attract them to

1412
01:15:27,569 --> 01:15:24,849
the area in particular so I thought that

1413
01:15:30,419 --> 01:15:27,579
was a pretty good theory and yeah I

1414
01:15:34,469 --> 01:15:30,429
never I never heard of that before and

1415
01:15:36,719 --> 01:15:34,479
when we bought our house we found a big

1416
01:15:38,459 --> 01:15:36,729
chunk of it in our backyard and we

1417
01:15:42,449 --> 01:15:38,469
didn't know what it was we posted

1418
01:15:45,599 --> 01:15:42,459
pictures and we thought we struck it

1419
01:15:48,959 --> 01:15:45,609
rich we've got this big this big thing

1420
01:15:52,679 --> 01:15:48,969
and everybody know though that's formed

1421
01:15:55,709 --> 01:15:52,689
when lightning hits the ground and fuses

1422
01:15:57,179 --> 01:15:55,719
everything together I had no idea so you

1423
01:16:00,719 --> 01:15:57,189
weren't the only person that's never

1424
01:16:06,149 --> 01:16:00,729
heard of it so it's a unique process and

1425
01:16:09,899 --> 01:16:06,159
based on what minerals are in that

1426
01:16:12,599 --> 01:16:09,909
particular sand it could be quite unique

1427
01:16:15,179 --> 01:16:12,609
in what's formed but I guess this is

1428
01:16:17,310 --> 01:16:15,189
popular at Jim shows I just I've never

1429
01:16:19,949 --> 01:16:17,320
held a piece of it before yeah I've got

1430
01:16:22,409 --> 01:16:19,959
a big I've got a big boulder the size of

1431
01:16:25,109 --> 01:16:22,419
a basketball big chunk and it's weird

1432
01:16:27,689 --> 01:16:25,119
how it forms and you can tell that once

1433
01:16:31,859 --> 01:16:27,699
you get the lightning explanation how

1434
01:16:35,819 --> 01:16:31,869
how it looks yeah it makes sense why you

1435
01:16:38,219 --> 01:16:35,829
mentioned a minute ago about regret and

1436
01:16:40,500 --> 01:16:38,229
that you regretted it what did what do

1437
01:16:42,929 --> 01:16:40,510
you mean by that I is it the the

1438
01:16:47,179 --> 01:16:42,939
scrutiny and the end of the microscope

1439
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:47,189
part of it when you say regret you know

1440
01:16:51,300 --> 01:16:49,570
you know you try to

1441
01:16:52,950 --> 01:16:51,310
look for the good in anything in order

1442
01:16:54,899 --> 01:16:52,960
to you know cope with it you know you

1443
01:16:59,430 --> 01:16:54,909
got a look on the bright side if you can

1444
01:17:01,890 --> 01:16:59,440
but you know I I just much rather have

1445
01:17:06,959 --> 01:17:01,900
my old life back you know like I you

1446
01:17:09,450 --> 01:17:06,969
know I had many career options the

1447
01:17:12,330 --> 01:17:09,460
things I could do with my life and and

1448
01:17:14,430 --> 01:17:12,340
most of those are you know forever close

1449
01:17:16,830 --> 01:17:14,440
to me just on account of being Who I am

1450
01:17:21,209 --> 01:17:16,840
you know how long did it take to get

1451
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:21,219
back to normal I never did but yeah I

1452
01:17:29,100 --> 01:17:25,090
worked at it and you know gradually over

1453
01:17:31,530 --> 01:17:29,110
time just always tried to live as normal

1454
01:17:35,550 --> 01:17:31,540
a life as possible I had kids I wanted

1455
01:17:37,979 --> 01:17:35,560
to provide a normal a home life for them

1456
01:17:40,950 --> 01:17:37,989
as possible and you know they've grown

1457
01:17:43,859 --> 01:17:40,960
them into you know a fine fine bunch of

1458
01:17:46,919 --> 01:17:43,869
kids so I'm proud of what they've become

1459
01:17:49,740 --> 01:17:46,929
yeah and you've you've shared some of

1460
01:17:55,050 --> 01:17:49,750
that with me you're very very proud of

1461
01:17:59,790 --> 01:17:55,060
your children and but one has to ask the

1462
01:18:02,280 --> 01:17:59,800
obvious have they had any experiences is

1463
01:18:04,890 --> 01:18:02,290
there any connection because you've

1464
01:18:07,109 --> 01:18:04,900
heard the same things that I have from

1465
01:18:10,589 --> 01:18:07,119
different researchers and experiencers

1466
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:10,599
that attends these experiences tend to

1467
01:18:19,260 --> 01:18:16,170
follow families yeah and a lot you know

1468
01:18:21,839 --> 01:18:19,270
it's kind of a thing that I'm scared to

1469
01:18:25,410 --> 01:18:21,849
look at but right there there's some

1470
01:18:27,209 --> 01:18:25,420
pretty profound stories and in that

1471
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:27,219
regard that you know it's probably not

1472
01:18:32,729 --> 01:18:30,610
fair for me to really go public with you

1473
01:18:39,510 --> 01:18:32,739
know they they've got their lives to

1474
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:39,520
live but there's there are some signs of

1475
01:18:59,280 --> 01:18:51,450
screen memory that I'm I hear a lot

1476
01:19:03,479 --> 01:18:59,290
about is owls you know it's a regular

1477
01:19:05,580 --> 01:19:03,489
you know creature that humans are from

1478
01:19:10,470 --> 01:19:05,590
you're with but you know they've got

1479
01:19:15,420 --> 01:19:10,480
this huge set of eyes as do the greys

1480
01:19:17,490 --> 01:19:15,430
and so I can see that there could be

1481
01:19:21,750 --> 01:19:17,500
some sort of allegory a sort of a

1482
01:19:24,979 --> 01:19:21,760
connection there and when my oldest son

1483
01:19:27,990 --> 01:19:24,989
was just a baby I was just carrying him

1484
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:28,000
down the hall and he looked at the

1485
01:19:34,470 --> 01:19:31,690
picture of this owl and just burst into

1486
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:34,480
tears just started crying I mean he was

1487
01:19:42,060 --> 01:19:37,810
always a totally confident kid you know

1488
01:19:45,690 --> 01:19:42,070
very socially agreeable and you know

1489
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:45,700
when we took him to his first day at

1490
01:19:49,250 --> 01:19:47,770
preschool he just he never looked back

1491
01:19:53,130 --> 01:19:49,260
you know he wasn't the least bit

1492
01:19:55,020 --> 01:19:53,140
insecure about being left there he's

1493
01:19:57,720 --> 01:19:55,030
always you know been outgoing and

1494
01:19:59,400 --> 01:19:57,730
confident but for some reason they pet

1495
01:20:03,290 --> 01:19:59,410
that picture of that owl just freaked

1496
01:20:07,860 --> 01:20:03,300
him out and there was a similar incident

1497
01:20:11,459 --> 01:20:07,870
with him on another time Wow and there's

1498
01:20:14,180 --> 01:20:11,469
one other again and we'll we'll move on

1499
01:20:17,310 --> 01:20:14,190
from this but your children are all

1500
01:20:19,650 --> 01:20:17,320
extremely talented in the arts and

1501
01:20:21,570 --> 01:20:19,660
you're very proud of this and I've seen

1502
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:21,580
some of the of your you know your

1503
01:20:27,180 --> 01:20:23,890
personal pictures and and that's really

1504
01:20:30,810 --> 01:20:27,190
really cool but that there they also

1505
01:20:35,250 --> 01:20:30,820
came from you through your children did

1506
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:35,260
you have a you play guitar but did you

1507
01:20:42,150 --> 01:20:38,290
have an artistic aspect that ran through

1508
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:42,160
the DNA of your family or could it have

1509
01:20:48,540 --> 01:20:44,290
come from off-planet because their

1510
01:20:50,250 --> 01:20:48,550
talent is extreme yeah very very

1511
01:20:54,890 --> 01:20:50,260
talented they're they're better than I

1512
01:20:58,110 --> 01:20:54,900
am but alright alright my father I

1513
01:21:02,670 --> 01:20:58,120
learned later in life had actually been

1514
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:02,680
in the in a band with Marty Robbins the

1515
01:21:06,959 --> 01:21:04,810
country singer really country singer

1516
01:21:08,729 --> 01:21:06,969
yeah yeah no pass oh yeah they lived

1517
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:08,739
next door to each other they they got

1518
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:10,330
out of the Navy at the same time lived

1519
01:21:15,270 --> 01:21:13,090
in Phoenix and and they you know they

1520
01:21:17,070 --> 01:21:15,280
had a band and they played it local

1521
01:21:23,940 --> 01:21:17,080
nightclubs there mr. luck

1522
01:21:28,020 --> 01:21:23,950
and different cowboy entertainment bars

1523
01:21:30,480 --> 01:21:28,030
yeah cowboy bars you can say it but see

1524
01:21:33,930 --> 01:21:30,490
I never I never knew anything about that

1525
01:21:35,670 --> 01:21:33,940
and you know after my mother's divorce

1526
01:21:39,480 --> 01:21:35,680
she never really wanted to talk about

1527
01:21:44,370 --> 01:21:39,490
him much at all by the way your dad was

1528
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:44,380
in a band with Marty Rob really well

1529
01:21:48,750 --> 01:21:45,970
this guitar that's been banging around

1530
01:21:52,470 --> 01:21:48,760
the house all these years right that was

1531
01:21:54,960 --> 01:21:52,480
Marty Robbins no and so that's that that

1532
01:21:57,210 --> 01:21:54,970
the secrets that families keep right

1533
01:21:58,440 --> 01:21:57,220
that's that's an int and that's funny

1534
01:22:01,380 --> 01:21:58,450
that's funny

1535
01:22:03,540 --> 01:22:01,390
I wanted to we're gonna head towards a

1536
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:03,550
break but I want to kind of warm up to

1537
01:22:09,450 --> 01:22:05,290
this and then we'll pick it up after the

1538
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:09,460
break you follow the UFO community you

1539
01:22:13,650 --> 01:22:12,010
know the news and people speak with you

1540
01:22:15,780 --> 01:22:13,660
about what's going on out there oh by

1541
01:22:18,330 --> 01:22:15,790
the way Heidi Neil told me to tell you

1542
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:18,340
what's up so I just got that out of the

1543
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:22,810
way she's okay yeah she's amazing she's

1544
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:26,050
amazing isn't is disclosure people are

1545
01:22:31,380 --> 01:22:28,330
out there calling this the days of

1546
01:22:34,170 --> 01:22:31,390
disclosure and and the media has been

1547
01:22:36,300 --> 01:22:34,180
covering this heavily since December

1548
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:36,310
16th for you

1549
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:39,130
are these the days of disclosure or is

1550
01:22:44,580 --> 01:22:40,170
it something else

1551
01:22:46,590 --> 01:22:44,590
well yes I think it is important and the

1552
01:22:48,750 --> 01:22:46,600
government is finally acknowledging you

1553
01:22:51,510 --> 01:22:48,760
know that they've been looking in is

1554
01:22:53,550 --> 01:22:51,520
it's not like I didn't know that but I'm

1555
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:53,560
glad they're admitting it now and it

1556
01:23:01,140 --> 01:22:56,130
does add a certain amount of

1557
01:23:05,700 --> 01:23:01,150
corroboration to you know what happened

1558
01:23:07,620 --> 01:23:05,710
here and it goes along with something

1559
01:23:09,990 --> 01:23:07,630
I've been saying all along is you know

1560
01:23:12,930 --> 01:23:10,000
people have got to you know take this in

1561
01:23:15,210 --> 01:23:12,940
stride you know is interesting as

1562
01:23:17,150 --> 01:23:15,220
fascinating as the subject is I mean

1563
01:23:20,250 --> 01:23:17,160
it's only natural people would be really

1564
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:20,260
really intrigued by this whole thing but

1565
01:23:24,450 --> 01:23:22,810
when I say just you know just just think

1566
01:23:25,970 --> 01:23:24,460
of them as those people from way over

1567
01:23:28,500 --> 01:23:25,980
there that we don't know too much about

1568
01:23:30,819 --> 01:23:28,510
people seem kind of disappointed that I

1569
01:23:35,349 --> 01:23:30,829
think they like the metaphysical owies

1570
01:23:36,699 --> 01:23:35,359
we supernatural take on it but I think

1571
01:23:40,419 --> 01:23:36,709
we're gonna have to get used to the idea

1572
01:23:43,569 --> 01:23:40,429
that hey this is just the way it is and

1573
01:23:46,689 --> 01:23:43,579
what that's interesting because you went

1574
01:23:48,699 --> 01:23:46,699
through some of the heaviest media

1575
01:23:52,419 --> 01:23:48,709
coverage that one can go through when it

1576
01:23:54,939 --> 01:23:52,429
comes to the UFO subject and they didn't

1577
01:23:57,279 --> 01:23:54,949
they didn't quite treat it the way that

1578
01:23:59,829 --> 01:23:57,289
they did back in December seem it seems

1579
01:24:02,919 --> 01:23:59,839
like they were taking it more serious

1580
01:24:06,069 --> 01:24:02,929
they weren't queueing the x-files music

1581
01:24:08,049 --> 01:24:06,079
followed by a joke well you know I I

1582
01:24:10,810 --> 01:24:08,059
really have to come to the government's

1583
01:24:14,109 --> 01:24:10,820
defense in their secrecy you know a lot

1584
01:24:17,799 --> 01:24:14,119
of people looked at the government's

1585
01:24:19,449 --> 01:24:17,809
reluctance to acknowledge this as being

1586
01:24:21,459 --> 01:24:19,459
some kind of indication that there was

1587
01:24:26,849 --> 01:24:21,469
something nefarious going on but I don't

1588
01:24:30,189 --> 01:24:26,859
think so at all I think the the inherent

1589
01:24:33,159 --> 01:24:30,199
disruption that occurs in people's

1590
01:24:38,169 --> 01:24:33,169
thinking was something that they were

1591
01:24:40,709 --> 01:24:38,179
naturally trying to avoid and you know I

1592
01:24:44,049 --> 01:24:40,719
could I could go on about you know how

1593
01:24:47,250 --> 01:24:44,059
first the way it used to be you know

1594
01:24:52,649 --> 01:24:47,260
though that this was just so you know

1595
01:24:56,020 --> 01:24:52,659
fantastical that that they the the

1596
01:24:58,659 --> 01:24:56,030
consequences of open acknowledgement may

1597
01:25:02,529 --> 01:24:58,669
have been just a little bit too much to

1598
01:25:03,969 --> 01:25:02,539
handle at the time so this project that

1599
01:25:07,239 --> 01:25:03,979
was revealed

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01:25:12,629 --> 01:25:07,249
back in December had threat in in the

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01:25:15,189 --> 01:25:12,639
name and I take exception to that but I

1602
01:25:16,719 --> 01:25:15,199
can understand that here this is the

1603
01:25:18,729 --> 01:25:16,729
Pentagon these are people who were

1604
01:25:21,339 --> 01:25:18,739
responsible for the defense of this

1605
01:25:23,169 --> 01:25:21,349
country and they're these are military

1606
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:23,179
guys hard-nosed people where are you

1607
01:25:27,790 --> 01:25:24,530
going to get the funding if you can't

1608
01:25:30,969 --> 01:25:27,800
justify it in terms of defending against

1609
01:25:34,139 --> 01:25:30,979
the threat so so it's understandable

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01:25:37,389 --> 01:25:34,149
that they would name it that even if

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01:25:40,149 --> 01:25:37,399
what they expect to find isn't really

1612
01:25:42,790 --> 01:25:40,159
necessarily a threat at all and for you

1613
01:25:44,350 --> 01:25:42,800
what is disclosure I mean what would be

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01:25:46,330 --> 01:25:44,360
disclosure for you

1615
01:25:49,180 --> 01:25:46,340
you have your own Travis Walton

1616
01:25:52,959 --> 01:25:49,190
definition well for me it happened back

1617
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:52,969
in 1975 that was disclosure you know I

1618
01:25:57,700 --> 01:25:56,090
became certain at that point this last

1619
01:25:59,500 --> 01:25:57,710
December these announcements that

1620
01:26:05,760 --> 01:25:59,510
they've been studying this that they

1621
01:26:08,830 --> 01:26:05,770
have you know are debris and things and

1622
01:26:15,510 --> 01:26:08,840
film and very they've got plenty of

1623
01:26:19,270 --> 01:26:15,520
evidence they've been studied and I do I

1624
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:19,280
I don't doubt that that there's still

1625
01:26:24,939 --> 01:26:21,650
quite a bit of it that's still a total

1626
01:26:28,050 --> 01:26:24,949
mystery to them but they they are at

1627
01:26:31,870 --> 01:26:28,060
least acknowledging this is real

1628
01:26:34,450 --> 01:26:31,880
it was pretty this is this is the other

1629
01:26:39,189 --> 01:26:34,460
part of it for me Travis there's also

1630
01:26:42,850 --> 01:26:39,199
been a pretty quiet response out of

1631
01:26:45,879 --> 01:26:42,860
Washington neither confirming or denying

1632
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:45,889
it and I find that interesting too as

1633
01:26:51,430 --> 01:26:48,290
well they they haven't tried to silence

1634
01:26:57,550 --> 01:26:51,440
the story or try to misdirect the mass

1635
01:27:01,720 --> 01:26:57,560
media it was kind of a typical news dump

1636
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:01,730
on a Friday is what they when they want

1637
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:03,650
to get something out but don't want it

1638
01:27:08,850 --> 01:27:06,050
they want to minimize the amount of

1639
01:27:11,260 --> 01:27:08,860
tension I guess that's understandable

1640
01:27:13,899 --> 01:27:11,270
yeah that's exactly how it played out

1641
01:27:18,340 --> 01:27:13,909
too as well maybe this will go away by

1642
01:27:20,919 --> 01:27:18,350
Monday and and certainly the opposite

1643
01:27:24,700 --> 01:27:20,929
happened and did that surprise you that

1644
01:27:27,850 --> 01:27:24,710
it stayed in the headlines on every

1645
01:27:30,280 --> 01:27:27,860
network television online for two or

1646
01:27:33,490 --> 01:27:30,290
three weeks and it's kind of continuing

1647
01:27:35,770 --> 01:27:33,500
today to 60 minutes just did their piece

1648
01:27:38,350 --> 01:27:35,780
on it so it hasn't gone away are you

1649
01:27:41,830 --> 01:27:38,360
surprised about the amount of legs that

1650
01:27:44,770 --> 01:27:41,840
the story has had well it's not anything

1651
01:27:46,780 --> 01:27:44,780
new you know and a lot of people who act

1652
01:27:48,370 --> 01:27:46,790
like we know they did the immunes have

1653
01:27:51,700 --> 01:27:48,380
just now discovered us and we need to be

1654
01:27:54,100 --> 01:27:51,710
really aware of that no no mutual kaku

1655
01:27:57,160 --> 01:27:54,110
was doing an interview on television a

1656
01:27:58,149 --> 01:27:57,170
while back and he was saying you know

1657
01:27:59,979 --> 01:27:58,159
people keep

1658
01:28:02,259 --> 01:27:59,989
imagining these civilizations to be

1659
01:28:07,179 --> 01:28:02,269
maybe you know a few hundred years ahead

1660
01:28:08,830 --> 01:28:07,189
of us you know but based on the age of

1661
01:28:10,870 --> 01:28:08,840
these star systems they could easily be

1662
01:28:12,569 --> 01:28:10,880
hundreds of thousands or millions of

1663
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:12,579
years ahead of us so there there's no

1664
01:28:18,489 --> 01:28:15,650
comparison in terms of the level of

1665
01:28:19,989 --> 01:28:18,499
Technology and you got to get used to

1666
01:28:26,620 --> 01:28:19,999
that

1667
01:28:28,779 --> 01:28:26,630
we as humans have come up with is you

1668
01:28:30,759 --> 01:28:28,789
know maybe a couple hundred years old at

1669
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:30,769
the oldest and you know everything

1670
01:28:37,629 --> 01:28:34,010
technological is is recent comparatively

1671
01:28:39,429 --> 01:28:37,639
speaking so how far would they come in a

1672
01:28:42,779 --> 01:28:39,439
thousand or ten thousand or hundred

1673
01:28:47,770 --> 01:28:42,789
thousand years let alone a million and

1674
01:28:50,949 --> 01:28:47,780
so certainly they've been aware of us

1675
01:28:53,859 --> 01:28:50,959
for a very very long time long before we

1676
01:28:56,609 --> 01:28:53,869
had fighter jets you know this is the

1677
01:29:00,250 --> 01:28:56,619
Hollywood fantasy of fighter jets doing

1678
01:29:03,100 --> 01:29:00,260
you know dogfights in the sky with UFOs

1679
01:29:06,850 --> 01:29:03,110
invading that's just ridiculous

1680
01:29:10,330 --> 01:29:06,860
yeah III insist that if they wanted this

1681
01:29:12,580 --> 01:29:10,340
planet for themselves it would already

1682
01:29:15,100 --> 01:29:12,590
be theirs period yeah you know you know

1683
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:15,110
contest you and I wouldn't be here right

1684
01:29:20,890 --> 01:29:19,489
now I mean that's let's take a break

1685
01:29:22,719 --> 01:29:20,900
right here our guest tonight that went

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01:29:25,330 --> 01:29:22,729
to normally Travis Walton it's been four

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years since he's been on fade to black

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01:29:32,440 --> 01:29:27,679
we'll be right back more Travis right

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01:29:47,959 --> 01:29:38,170
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you are listening to fade to black with

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Jimmy Church on the game changer Network

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01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:39,290
hi I'm Lisa Vance you're listening to

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01:32:44,979 --> 01:32:42,170
Jimmy Church this is revolution the

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revolution will not be televised the

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[Music]

1754
01:33:35,589 --> 01:33:33,909
welcome back fade to black I'm the host

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01:33:39,129 --> 01:33:35,599
Jimmy Church you can follow me on

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Twitter right now at J Church radio very

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01:33:42,669 --> 01:33:40,969
simple come and join in on the

1758
01:33:44,979 --> 01:33:42,679
conversation got some great questions

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here for Travis by the way and Twitter

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proudest items that I have is the

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01:34:17,350 --> 01:34:14,629
photograph that you sent me of you

1770
01:34:21,219 --> 01:34:17,360
wearing your fade to black t-shirt in

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01:34:25,029 --> 01:34:21,229
your house that is one of the coolest

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01:34:28,149 --> 01:34:25,039
things ever man it's one of my one of my

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01:34:30,909 --> 01:34:28,159
souvenirs no have you have you who is

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01:34:33,909 --> 01:34:30,919
that the only time you've worn it just

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01:34:37,299 --> 01:34:33,919
that what well I didn't want to wear it

1776
01:34:39,250 --> 01:34:37,309
out I won't keep it new so cool man so

1777
01:34:41,439 --> 01:34:39,260
cool now you mentioned before the break

1778
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:41,449
and I found this very very interesting

1779
01:34:49,389 --> 01:34:46,489
that that may be in the past it was the

1780
01:34:51,929 --> 01:34:49,399
wrong time for disclosure this time

1781
01:34:54,969 --> 01:34:51,939
around with all of this mass media

1782
01:34:59,259 --> 01:34:54,979
coverage the world didn't go to hell in

1783
01:35:03,569 --> 01:34:59,269
a handbasket yeah I think the world took

1784
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:03,579
it a lot better you know the news media

1785
01:35:11,049 --> 01:35:07,610
reports were more straight-faced they

1786
01:35:12,909 --> 01:35:11,059
didn't do the obligatory little ten flat

1787
01:35:13,659 --> 01:35:12,919
little ring men joke you know right

1788
01:35:17,500 --> 01:35:13,669
right right

1789
01:35:19,989 --> 01:35:17,510
and so maybe right what this is this is

1790
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:19,999
the other thing you don't need

1791
01:35:25,270 --> 01:35:22,010
disclosure and I get that but there's

1792
01:35:29,199 --> 01:35:25,280
two ways to look at this if we are alone

1793
01:35:31,379 --> 01:35:29,209
in the universe then why take care of

1794
01:35:35,350 --> 01:35:31,389
this planet there's nothing to live for

1795
01:35:38,859 --> 01:35:35,360
right let's just party if there is if

1796
01:35:42,129 --> 01:35:38,869
there is et friends out there and

1797
01:35:43,480 --> 01:35:42,139
brothers then we have a reason to not

1798
01:35:45,370 --> 01:35:43,490
only take care of this planet

1799
01:35:48,130 --> 01:35:45,380
take care of ourselves and figure this

1800
01:35:50,860 --> 01:35:48,140
out because there's a reason right

1801
01:35:53,860 --> 01:35:50,870
there's hope I think it's the exact

1802
01:35:58,900 --> 01:35:53,870
opposite don't you yeah yeah and I think

1803
01:36:00,700 --> 01:35:58,910
they would like to assist I really do

1804
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:00,710
think they mean well and they would like

1805
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:04,250
to nudge us in a constructive direction

1806
01:36:15,610 --> 01:36:09,530
and that's a huge leap but there's been

1807
01:36:20,500 --> 01:36:15,620
a lot of people who are quite prominent

1808
01:36:25,900 --> 01:36:20,510
well-known people who you know say that

1809
01:36:27,910 --> 01:36:25,910
their personal experience was a turning

1810
01:36:29,590 --> 01:36:27,920
point in their in their careers and

1811
01:36:37,650 --> 01:36:29,600
their understanding and their

1812
01:36:44,460 --> 01:36:37,660
development that that it stimulated a

1813
01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:44,470
great well it was an inspiration and the

1814
01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:46,730
you know some of these are well-known

1815
01:36:59,370 --> 01:36:55,060
Casilla but you know a lot of creative

1816
01:37:03,730 --> 01:36:59,380
people um you know writers musicians

1817
01:37:07,510 --> 01:37:03,740
actors they have their personal

1818
01:37:14,500 --> 01:37:07,520
experience that profoundly redirected

1819
01:37:19,930 --> 01:37:14,510
their lives and there was an old legend

1820
01:37:24,370 --> 01:37:19,940
about the muse you know that there was

1821
01:37:27,580 --> 01:37:24,380
an inspirational entity that would you

1822
01:37:31,270 --> 01:37:27,590
know you know inspire people do you know

1823
01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:31,280
give them a boost in the direction of

1824
01:37:38,620 --> 01:37:34,970
something constructive and there was a

1825
01:37:41,830 --> 01:37:38,630
it was a movie way back I was an Adu was

1826
01:37:46,950 --> 01:37:41,840
the name of it it was about him the the

1827
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:46,960
muse of the muses and in in plural being

1828
01:37:56,629 --> 01:37:52,850
actual entities but not alien entities

1829
01:38:02,419 --> 01:37:56,639
but sort of supernatural but

1830
01:38:05,330 --> 01:38:02,429
to me this is very measured very limited

1831
01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:05,340
I do believe there's probably something

1832
01:38:12,020 --> 01:38:09,570
akin to a prime directive science

1833
01:38:15,350 --> 01:38:12,030
fiction assisting a non-interference

1834
01:38:18,759 --> 01:38:15,360
directive where there's a rule against

1835
01:38:21,350 --> 01:38:18,769
more advanced civilizations just

1836
01:38:25,489 --> 01:38:21,360
delivering raw technology to less

1837
01:38:26,179 --> 01:38:25,499
develop civilizations and and that makes

1838
01:38:29,839 --> 01:38:26,189
sense too

1839
01:38:35,679 --> 01:38:29,849
yeah it does and brush the humans with

1840
01:38:41,810 --> 01:38:39,770
directions yeah using it for money using

1841
01:38:44,469 --> 01:38:41,820
it for progression using it to kill

1842
01:38:48,020 --> 01:38:44,479
using you know all of the wrong reasons

1843
01:38:51,409 --> 01:38:48,030
we do that with any technology that we

1844
01:38:55,639 --> 01:38:51,419
create here so that's it's just the way

1845
01:38:59,000 --> 01:38:55,649
that it is well you know we need to make

1846
01:39:01,909 --> 01:38:59,010
a smaller carbon footprint well yeah we

1847
01:39:07,609 --> 01:39:01,919
need an alternative to carbon-based

1848
01:39:09,979 --> 01:39:07,619
fuels but I don't believe that disrupt

1849
01:39:12,949 --> 01:39:09,989
that overnight wouldn't be anything

1850
01:39:15,469 --> 01:39:12,959
other than extremely disruptive I mean

1851
01:39:18,589 --> 01:39:15,479
the world's economies are dependent upon

1852
01:39:20,029 --> 01:39:18,599
petrol dollars and I I think that there

1853
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:20,039
would be a worldwide economic collapse

1854
01:39:31,330 --> 01:39:27,530
if if it was one question that

1855
01:39:36,649 --> 01:39:31,340
constantly comes up about you is

1856
01:39:38,449 --> 01:39:36,659
communication now you did have your

1857
01:39:40,250 --> 01:39:38,459
complaints and the things that you were

1858
01:39:43,069 --> 01:39:40,260
verbalizing on that ship and we've

1859
01:39:45,770 --> 01:39:43,079
talked about that many times was there

1860
01:39:48,379 --> 01:39:45,780
anything that came back either verbally

1861
01:39:50,739 --> 01:39:48,389
in the language that maybe you didn't

1862
01:39:52,759 --> 01:39:50,749
understand or was there anything

1863
01:39:56,299 --> 01:39:52,769
telepathic was there any communication

1864
01:39:58,939 --> 01:39:56,309
that went back and forth well I don't

1865
01:40:02,830 --> 01:39:58,949
know about back and forth but there

1866
01:40:07,219 --> 01:40:02,840
you know some particularly profound

1867
01:40:13,069 --> 01:40:07,229
personal experiences that I I really

1868
01:40:14,689 --> 01:40:13,079
hesitate to make public because I don't

1869
01:40:17,449 --> 01:40:14,699
have any witnesses you know and I've

1870
01:40:22,729 --> 01:40:17,459
always tried to stick to the things that

1871
01:40:26,419 --> 01:40:22,739
I can prove absolutely certain and proof

1872
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:26,429
of it in my own heart and mind but

1873
01:40:30,770 --> 01:40:28,170
nothing that you know was going to

1874
01:40:33,949 --> 01:40:30,780
convince an independent observer right

1875
01:40:36,020 --> 01:40:33,959
right so you're saying that possibly

1876
01:40:38,689 --> 01:40:36,030
something like that did happen when I

1877
01:40:43,790 --> 01:40:38,699
say back and forth the fourth came from

1878
01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:43,800
you you were speaking but was there was

1879
01:40:51,850 --> 01:40:46,650
there a back did they respond do they

1880
01:40:54,609 --> 01:40:51,860
understand what you were saying um later

1881
01:41:00,859 --> 01:40:54,619
later

1882
01:41:05,899 --> 01:41:00,869
certain things were provided to me how

1883
01:41:09,290 --> 01:41:05,909
so what do you mean well I just I'm

1884
01:41:11,149 --> 01:41:09,300
getting out over my skis here I want you

1885
01:41:15,290 --> 01:41:11,159
to get out over your skis but it's I

1886
01:41:20,500 --> 01:41:15,300
know you do pidz me Travers it's me if

1887
01:41:26,930 --> 01:41:24,140
right but you know I you know my

1888
01:41:29,209 --> 01:41:26,940
interest in this and and and our

1889
01:41:31,100 --> 01:41:29,219
friendship it's the thing is it's just

1890
01:41:33,049 --> 01:41:31,110
you and I sitting here talking and these

1891
01:41:37,250 --> 01:41:33,059
are the things I would I would ask

1892
01:41:40,009 --> 01:41:37,260
because you know I want to know we all

1893
01:41:43,899 --> 01:41:40,019
do I'll put it this way I do believe

1894
01:41:49,669 --> 01:41:43,909
they are telepathic and I do believe

1895
01:41:52,250 --> 01:41:49,679
they try to limit their effects but it's

1896
01:41:56,719 --> 01:41:52,260
not absolutely that's very interesting

1897
01:42:00,770 --> 01:41:56,729
and I'll go so far as to say that I

1898
01:42:05,149 --> 01:42:00,780
think that everybody that has any kind

1899
01:42:09,199 --> 01:42:05,159
of a sighting or a major contacting sort

1900
01:42:11,930 --> 01:42:09,209
of an incident that the it's not an

1901
01:42:14,990 --> 01:42:11,940
accident it's not like these

1902
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:15,000
like slapping therefore is a goddang we

1903
01:42:20,060 --> 01:42:17,610
messed up again the human spotted us

1904
01:42:21,050 --> 01:42:20,070
again you know no no no they're not that

1905
01:42:25,100 --> 01:42:21,060
dumb

1906
01:42:27,290 --> 01:42:25,110
they know where everybody is and I

1907
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:27,300
believe they have a way of identifying

1908
01:42:33,620 --> 01:42:29,370
individuals of whether they're tuning

1909
01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:33,630
into brain waves or DNA or what I really

1910
01:42:38,780 --> 01:42:35,850
think that they follow individuals

1911
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:38,790
they're what they call respecter of

1912
01:42:41,810 --> 01:42:39,570
persons

1913
01:42:46,520 --> 01:42:41,820
you know they it's not an accident and

1914
01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:46,530
it's not random I used to really scoff

1915
01:42:50,810 --> 01:42:49,290
at people who would say you know I was

1916
01:42:52,580 --> 01:42:50,820
looking up at it and it seemed to be

1917
01:42:54,680 --> 01:42:52,590
reacting to me and when I did this and

1918
01:42:57,410 --> 01:42:54,690
did that you know I don't come on

1919
01:43:00,410 --> 01:42:57,420
you know you're an ant on them on the

1920
01:43:01,939 --> 01:43:00,420
anthill down there to them but I don't

1921
01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:01,949
think that anymore I really do think

1922
01:43:08,090 --> 01:43:05,730
that they know these people and follow

1923
01:43:10,160 --> 01:43:08,100
them and they can they can pick them out

1924
01:43:14,660 --> 01:43:10,170
of a crowd no decades later you know

1925
01:43:17,030 --> 01:43:14,670
Rita just told me to tell you where the

1926
01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:17,040
t-shirt all you want you have a lifetime

1927
01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:27,570
free refill that's funny and somebody

1928
01:43:33,680 --> 01:43:31,530
just replied back saying you know it is

1929
01:43:37,970 --> 01:43:33,690
a valid question Jimmy you know what did

1930
01:43:41,720 --> 01:43:37,980
they say and and how did they say it and

1931
01:43:45,709 --> 01:43:41,730
the reason why I find that interesting

1932
01:43:48,380 --> 01:43:45,719
is I have had my personal experiences

1933
01:43:51,320 --> 01:43:48,390
but I don't get down to specifics and

1934
01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:51,330
the reason why trav is probably the same

1935
01:43:59,120 --> 01:43:56,090
for you I don't want to influence people

1936
01:44:02,990 --> 01:43:59,130
right I don't want to influence their

1937
01:44:05,420 --> 01:44:03,000
experience or maybe change their

1938
01:44:08,060 --> 01:44:05,430
memories of it is that one of the

1939
01:44:10,820 --> 01:44:08,070
reasons why you're holding back well

1940
01:44:15,020 --> 01:44:10,830
yeah and you know plus you know I I

1941
01:44:18,530 --> 01:44:15,030
think my mission is having the kind of

1942
01:44:22,459 --> 01:44:18,540
evidence and and witnesses involved in

1943
01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:22,469
my incident that my mission is to you

1944
01:44:25,640 --> 01:44:24,570
know just communicate one thing to

1945
01:44:29,030 --> 01:44:25,650
people

1946
01:44:31,100 --> 01:44:29,040
the reality this is real and and to take

1947
01:44:33,800 --> 01:44:31,110
it in stride and not be alarmed about it

1948
01:44:37,900 --> 01:44:33,810
and so I I don't want to do anything

1949
01:44:42,200 --> 01:44:37,910
that sounds or seems far out or

1950
01:44:45,230 --> 01:44:42,210
unfounded you know the the documentation

1951
01:44:50,270 --> 01:44:45,240
that accompanies everything that I have

1952
01:44:52,490 --> 01:44:50,280
to report is the source of the

1953
01:44:55,720 --> 01:44:52,500
credibility that it allows people to

1954
01:44:59,450 --> 01:44:55,730
understand that this is real and to just

1955
01:45:02,090 --> 01:44:59,460
you know take it in stride we constantly

1956
01:45:06,440 --> 01:45:02,100
hear the those two words monovalent

1957
01:45:08,650 --> 01:45:06,450
benevolent and there is a line in the

1958
01:45:11,450 --> 01:45:08,660
sand when it comes to experiencers

1959
01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:11,460
researchers and those that feel that

1960
01:45:16,990 --> 01:45:14,850
they have the evidence to suggest one or

1961
01:45:22,510 --> 01:45:17,000
the other

1962
01:45:24,620 --> 01:45:22,520
couldn't it be could it be both well

1963
01:45:27,170 --> 01:45:24,630
yeah I suppose anything's possible

1964
01:45:30,980 --> 01:45:27,180
things that I don't but you know I've

1965
01:45:35,090 --> 01:45:30,990
had over 40 years to think about this

1966
01:45:40,490 --> 01:45:35,100
and what the various incidents mean mmm

1967
01:45:45,260 --> 01:45:40,500
and imply and that they could have

1968
01:45:49,700 --> 01:45:45,270
engineered all that to make me think of

1969
01:45:54,850 --> 01:45:49,710
them as more benevolent than than they

1970
01:46:01,190 --> 01:45:58,310
it's just I'm just saying it in my

1971
01:46:03,950 --> 01:46:01,200
opinion right I don't see anything to

1972
01:46:05,930 --> 01:46:03,960
support the idea that they have sinister

1973
01:46:11,900 --> 01:46:05,940
intentions for for humans

1974
01:46:16,100 --> 01:46:11,910
now do you do you after you entered this

1975
01:46:20,270 --> 01:46:16,110
ship and and it left it it do you have

1976
01:46:24,590 --> 01:46:20,280
do you know if it left Earth I don't

1977
01:46:28,820 --> 01:46:24,600
know but you know I'm really imagined

1978
01:46:31,430 --> 01:46:28,830
that with their ability to travel that

1979
01:46:33,470 --> 01:46:31,440
they could have achieved some

1980
01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:33,480
extraordinary distances in a very short

1981
01:46:37,970 --> 01:46:35,730
period of time but I don't know I

1982
01:46:40,060 --> 01:46:37,980
couldn't see you or wasn't told where

1983
01:46:43,030 --> 01:46:40,070
where I was taken yeah

1984
01:46:46,150 --> 01:46:43,040
you know you know that the building

1985
01:46:48,670 --> 01:46:46,160
somewhere on earth or on some celestial

1986
01:46:51,580 --> 01:46:48,680
body light-years from here I don't know

1987
01:46:53,950 --> 01:46:51,590
yeah the the feeling you get when you

1988
01:46:55,990 --> 01:46:53,960
drop off the roller coaster right that

1989
01:46:58,360 --> 01:46:56,000
little weightless moment and you know

1990
01:47:00,430 --> 01:46:58,370
your stomach and that excitement did you

1991
01:47:04,480 --> 01:47:00,440
ever have that kind of feeling of you

1992
01:47:07,690 --> 01:47:04,490
know of speed of weightlessness or

1993
01:47:11,980 --> 01:47:07,700
anything like that no no nothing that to

1994
01:47:15,120 --> 01:47:11,990
indicate momentum or deceleration or

1995
01:47:17,620 --> 01:47:15,130
acceleration or nothing like that

1996
01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:17,630
but you know I would speculate they

1997
01:47:26,410 --> 01:47:21,290
probably have means of neutralizing

1998
01:47:30,250 --> 01:47:26,420
things like inertia right and you also I

1999
01:47:32,970 --> 01:47:30,260
want to stay on this line of questioning

2000
01:47:38,200 --> 01:47:32,980
for a second but you had also mentioned

2001
01:47:43,740 --> 01:47:38,210
your extreme thirst right I mean five

2002
01:47:47,740 --> 01:47:43,750
days right five days was there any food

2003
01:47:49,900 --> 01:47:47,750
well I I think medically there was

2004
01:47:50,650 --> 01:47:49,910
indications that it wasn't five days of

2005
01:47:53,380 --> 01:47:50,660
starvation

2006
01:47:55,630 --> 01:47:53,390
I don't recall eating any particular

2007
01:47:59,040 --> 01:47:55,640
food or you know any identifiable

2008
01:48:06,990 --> 01:47:59,050
substance or anything like that but the

2009
01:48:14,650 --> 01:48:12,190
enzymes amino acids whatever to indicate

2010
01:48:17,740 --> 01:48:14,660
starvation there wasn't wasn't an

2011
01:48:18,910 --> 01:48:17,750
indication of that what they call that

2012
01:48:25,090 --> 01:48:18,920
ketones

2013
01:48:27,610 --> 01:48:25,100
that will indicate if a person's been

2014
01:48:29,860 --> 01:48:27,620
starving so you don't think you you

2015
01:48:33,610 --> 01:48:29,870
don't remember eating I you know that I

2016
01:48:34,360 --> 01:48:33,620
have said I would kind of the opposite

2017
01:48:37,630 --> 01:48:34,370
of Travis

2018
01:48:40,000 --> 01:48:37,640
if et came down and said hey you and

2019
01:48:45,460 --> 01:48:40,010
Rita you want to come with us

2020
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:45,470
I I probably would Travis if I knew

2021
01:48:49,470 --> 01:48:47,850
about the food situation

2022
01:48:54,450 --> 01:48:49,480
[Laughter]

2023
01:48:57,330 --> 01:48:54,460
yeah no I'm being serious I enjoy eating

2024
01:49:00,150 --> 01:48:57,340
and it would really bum me out if I had

2025
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:00,160
to go on some trip and eat nothing but

2026
01:49:08,310 --> 01:49:05,770
bad food that would be some really great

2027
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:08,320
stuff right right right I mean that

2028
01:49:14,130 --> 01:49:11,770
would just kill the moment now and and

2029
01:49:16,260 --> 01:49:14,140
here's this and I pose this question to

2030
01:49:18,600 --> 01:49:16,270
everybody many of them are friends of

2031
01:49:20,940 --> 01:49:18,610
yours now that you've had this

2032
01:49:22,710 --> 01:49:20,950
experience and I know that you said that

2033
01:49:25,110 --> 01:49:22,720
you wouldn't get out of the truck

2034
01:49:28,340 --> 01:49:25,120
a second time but that's because you

2035
01:49:32,100 --> 01:49:28,350
didn't know but what if you were invited

2036
01:49:33,870 --> 01:49:32,110
what if they came back the doors open

2037
01:49:36,330 --> 01:49:33,880
and they came down and said you know

2038
01:49:38,250 --> 01:49:36,340
Travis how would you like to you know

2039
01:49:40,170 --> 01:49:38,260
just come with us again we got the foods

2040
01:49:42,360 --> 01:49:40,180
you know sorted out you can bring

2041
01:49:44,640 --> 01:49:42,370
somebody with you if you want to come

2042
01:49:47,730 --> 01:49:44,650
back we'll bring you back but how would

2043
01:49:50,490 --> 01:49:47,740
you like to come and visit us do you go

2044
01:49:53,430 --> 01:49:50,500
I would go you know actually you know

2045
01:49:57,240 --> 01:49:53,440
I've had right at in the aftermath of it

2046
01:50:00,120 --> 01:49:57,250
for years afterward I was terrified at

2047
01:50:03,990 --> 01:50:00,130
the prospect but you know more and more

2048
01:50:06,890 --> 01:50:04,000
I've tried to connect emotionally to

2049
01:50:08,490 --> 01:50:06,900
what I you know can appreciate

2050
01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:08,500
intellectually intellectually I

2051
01:50:13,260 --> 01:50:09,610
understand

2052
01:50:16,860 --> 01:50:13,270
they couldn't mean harm but in order to

2053
01:50:18,120 --> 01:50:16,870
get rid of the the stress and the fear

2054
01:50:21,330 --> 01:50:18,130
that would come up every time I would

2055
01:50:27,450 --> 01:50:21,340
describe that experience I really worked

2056
01:50:30,120 --> 01:50:27,460
at trying to connect emotionally to what

2057
01:50:32,820 --> 01:50:30,130
I understand it to be in a factual sense

2058
01:50:35,660 --> 01:50:32,830
that although I was terrified and you

2059
01:50:38,670 --> 01:50:35,670
know felt mortally wounded and you know

2060
01:50:43,410 --> 01:50:38,680
you know it was a life and death

2061
01:50:45,660 --> 01:50:43,420
situation at the time that that wasn't

2062
01:50:51,480 --> 01:50:45,670
warranted that you know it was actually

2063
01:50:55,260 --> 01:50:51,490
more of a rescue than anything so um I I

2064
01:50:57,990 --> 01:50:55,270
think I've been successful at connecting

2065
01:51:01,140 --> 01:50:58,000
in that way once I started doing that

2066
01:51:02,369 --> 01:51:01,150
you know the amount of stress that I

2067
01:51:05,429 --> 01:51:02,379
experienced

2068
01:51:09,239 --> 01:51:05,439
in doing a talk and describing the

2069
01:51:12,799 --> 01:51:09,249
events and you know the drain feeling

2070
01:51:15,209 --> 01:51:12,809
that I had afterwards diminished

2071
01:51:18,509 --> 01:51:15,219
tremendously you know I don't feel

2072
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:18,519
nearly the amount of stress that I used

2073
01:51:25,739 --> 01:51:22,570
to have you the way that you mentioned

2074
01:51:28,979 --> 01:51:25,749
that and say it like that have you gone

2075
01:51:31,290 --> 01:51:28,989
out alone you know by yourself looked up

2076
01:51:33,389 --> 01:51:31,300
to the stars and go okay let's do this

2077
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:33,399
again where are you guys

2078
01:51:39,659 --> 01:51:36,010
well I haven't done that but I I

2079
01:51:43,199 --> 01:51:39,669
probably should be willing to to do that

2080
01:51:49,859 --> 01:51:43,209
you know especially if I could get some

2081
01:51:52,409 --> 01:51:49,869
answers right I have you right inclusive

2082
01:51:55,049 --> 01:51:52,419
answers not just things I figure out for

2083
01:51:57,719 --> 01:51:55,059
myself but things that they can tell me

2084
01:52:01,529 --> 01:51:57,729
I'm imagining some dramatic scene in a

2085
01:52:03,569 --> 01:52:01,539
you know some 1950s film some drama you

2086
01:52:08,339 --> 01:52:03,579
being out there and looking to the stars

2087
01:52:10,879 --> 01:52:08,349
and just yelling out why me you know is

2088
01:52:15,949 --> 01:52:10,889
that your first question on the list

2089
01:52:21,989 --> 01:52:15,959
yeah yeah yeah I've actually been there

2090
01:52:24,599 --> 01:52:21,999
totally now we talked about night vision

2091
01:52:28,080 --> 01:52:24,609
and you've just mentioned this this

2092
01:52:31,109 --> 01:52:28,090
conscious connection and the possibility

2093
01:52:34,919 --> 01:52:31,119
of that when you go out on these night

2094
01:52:37,219 --> 01:52:34,929
vision expeditions or anybody that does

2095
01:52:40,679 --> 01:52:37,229
when we talk about this EE fives and and

2096
01:52:43,319 --> 01:52:40,689
the the ceremony that they do for that

2097
01:52:46,949 --> 01:52:43,329
but you're looking up and somebody says

2098
01:52:50,729 --> 01:52:46,959
you know blink twice if if you're

2099
01:52:53,669 --> 01:52:50,739
listening and that thing blinks twice it

2100
01:52:58,229 --> 01:52:53,679
happens right it happened to me is that

2101
01:53:00,270 --> 01:52:58,239
is that coincidence well no I think that

2102
01:53:03,599 --> 01:53:00,280
there can be communication one way to

2103
01:53:05,759 --> 01:53:03,609
way I don't think they're there to be to

2104
01:53:08,839 --> 01:53:05,769
wait with it's not like an some kind of

2105
01:53:12,629 --> 01:53:08,849
novelty let's let's just do this for the

2106
01:53:15,089 --> 01:53:12,639
g-wiz of it but yeah I think under

2107
01:53:16,060 --> 01:53:15,099
certain circumstances but they

2108
01:53:19,780 --> 01:53:16,070
definitely

2109
01:53:22,930 --> 01:53:19,790
do reach out

2110
01:53:27,220 --> 01:53:22,940
yeah reach out and and say yes now do

2111
01:53:29,830 --> 01:53:27,230
you think that it's because it's a

2112
01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:29,840
positive environment that is going down

2113
01:53:34,270 --> 01:53:31,850
at that moment with it with the

2114
01:53:37,000 --> 01:53:34,280
gathering do you think that they would

2115
01:53:45,460 --> 01:53:37,010
be more reticent to interact with a

2116
01:53:48,990 --> 01:53:45,470
negative environment oh yeah yeah they

2117
01:53:52,240 --> 01:53:49,000
have I I do believe there is a kind of a

2118
01:53:55,060 --> 01:53:52,250
non-interference directive a a prime

2119
01:53:58,240 --> 01:53:55,070
directive there's definite rules that

2120
01:54:02,770 --> 01:53:58,250
they're trying to avoid creating any

2121
01:54:07,030 --> 01:54:02,780
kind of harm and they're allowed a

2122
01:54:13,720 --> 01:54:07,040
certain measured amount of positive

2123
01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:13,730
influence but it's got it got definite

2124
01:54:18,220 --> 01:54:16,010
rules to it yeah it does it does I

2125
01:54:22,300 --> 01:54:18,230
believe I believe that to be the case

2126
01:54:24,670 --> 01:54:22,310
plus also I believe in laughter right

2127
01:54:27,880 --> 01:54:24,680
going out there let's let's let's laugh

2128
01:54:30,370 --> 01:54:27,890
let's make some noise let's let them

2129
01:54:32,200 --> 01:54:30,380
know and and because that sends the

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right vibration and speaking of

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vibration oh go ahead drive us well I

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just you know had a flash of inspiration

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01:54:48,340 --> 01:54:43,580
this last year about the non-emotional

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01:54:51,190 --> 01:54:48,350
the reported mechanical thinking

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01:54:54,400 --> 01:54:51,200
processes of the Grays no no no that's

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not what happened it dawned on me that

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once they became fully telepathic that

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it became obsolete to use facial muscles

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to express anything the their

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communication with each other is so full

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and so intricate that every level every

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nuance of emotion is there between these

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entities and they don't need facial

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01:55:29,580 --> 01:55:26,660
expressions anymore so we look at them

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01:55:32,950 --> 01:55:29,590
and they seem so

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01:55:35,380 --> 01:55:32,960
right no mechanical right but it's not

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01:55:38,290 --> 01:55:35,390
that way at all inside them they're

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actually living a much richer emotional

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life than we are and that's that's just

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01:55:46,780 --> 01:55:44,870
kind of like wow you know it took a

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01:55:49,540 --> 01:55:46,790
little while to sink in because so for

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so long this this this impression that

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people get that they are dispassionate

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that they are unemotional that they have

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lost complete touch with emotions it's

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it's a million miles from that no yeah

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yeah because they allows them a richer

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01:56:09,130 --> 01:56:07,370
more full expression of emotions yeah

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01:56:12,460 --> 01:56:09,140
because we're not seeing laughter or

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sadness or anger on their face that has

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nothing to do with what is going on

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01:56:21,850 --> 01:56:19,310
inside everything is there yeah

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including total honesty oh that's

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interesting

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see I knew I can't lie to each other I

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knew I'd get you off your skis I

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absolutely knew it

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01:56:40,230 --> 01:56:34,880
now I brought that up so many times they

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cannot lie to each other yeah they can't

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01:56:45,760 --> 01:56:42,800
I've got one minute love before the

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01:56:48,640 --> 01:56:45,770
break telepathy is I think it's a

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01:56:51,490 --> 01:56:48,650
double-edged sword would you would you

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01:56:54,130 --> 01:56:51,500
would you enjoy that kind of environment

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you know where everything you're naked

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right you can't hide it requires along

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with it an intrinsic level of

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advancement we would call it spiritual

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development that it's got to take place

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simultaneously that if you're gonna be

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able to handle it because like we're

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saying yeah you're you're naked you

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think you know it's all there totally

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01:57:24,940 --> 01:57:22,640
open your mind is an open book it is

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01:57:28,330 --> 01:57:24,950
you're walking down the street buck

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01:57:29,980 --> 01:57:28,340
naked basically yeah let's take a break

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right here our guest tonight is Travis

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Walton fabulous conversation fade to

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black I'm yours Jimmy Church you can

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follow me on Twitter

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Travis what's your Twitter I don't have

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one I never Twitter before you've never

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tweeted

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Travis after this stay with us

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now Travis this is a first-time

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questions night from he tu with respect

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the movie which we don't need to discuss

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02:02:47,280 --> 02:02:44,290
but there was a lot of fear that was

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02:02:49,350 --> 02:02:47,290
presented and that's Hollywood and I

2296
02:02:53,190 --> 02:02:49,360
know that you have told me in years past

2297
02:02:55,470 --> 02:02:53,200
that you were scared but it was it be

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02:02:58,710 --> 02:02:55,480
evil and you should have been but do you

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02:03:01,770 --> 02:02:58,720
equate it like a toddler's first visit

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02:03:05,220 --> 02:03:01,780
to the doctor you know yeah really I I

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02:03:08,540 --> 02:03:05,230
didn't understand my situation and I had

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a lot of terror that was just

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02:03:14,640 --> 02:03:12,610
unwarranted and I go ahead I didn't mean

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02:03:17,190 --> 02:03:14,650
to cut you off

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02:03:21,690 --> 02:03:17,200
I asked you a question that made you

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02:03:25,650 --> 02:03:21,700
laugh once and the question was the

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02:03:27,930 --> 02:03:25,660
female entity that was there I asked you

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02:03:28,590 --> 02:03:27,940
if she wore makeup do you remember that

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02:03:32,610 --> 02:03:28,600
question

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02:03:36,120 --> 02:03:32,620
remember the answer but I can tell you

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02:03:38,610 --> 02:03:36,130
what it is okay this is great because

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02:03:42,270 --> 02:03:38,620
you're quiet your answer was I don't

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02:03:45,690 --> 02:03:42,280
recall and you laughed now you've had

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02:03:48,690 --> 02:03:45,700
some time to think about it was she

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02:03:52,200 --> 02:03:48,700
wearing makeup I did not look like

2316
02:03:56,070 --> 02:03:52,210
makeup to me she was quite attractive

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02:04:00,450 --> 02:03:56,080
but I don't think that she wore makeup

2318
02:04:02,760 --> 02:04:00,460
although there was a gender difference

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02:04:05,760 --> 02:04:02,770
in in the hairstyle you know her hair

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02:04:11,910 --> 02:04:05,770
was longer than his interesting so

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feminine yeah in in our society's terms

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and and that's kind of interesting you

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02:04:18,990 --> 02:04:18,010
know why why that you know certainly

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they would have

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whole range of societal norms different

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02:04:26,220 --> 02:04:23,950
than ours

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02:04:28,470 --> 02:04:26,230
why would that be the same you know did

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02:04:32,450 --> 02:04:28,480
they give you a reason to be scared were

2329
02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:36,540
well assertive yeah but not aggressive I

2330
02:04:40,560 --> 02:04:38,890
was definitely terrified because it

2331
02:04:43,950 --> 02:04:40,570
seemed like they were in control of my

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02:04:47,640 --> 02:04:43,960
situation and I wasn't that that was

2333
02:04:50,010 --> 02:04:47,650
terrifying because of the feelings I had

2334
02:04:51,630 --> 02:04:50,020
inside I felt mortally wounded I felt

2335
02:04:54,510 --> 02:04:51,640
like there was something very wrong

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02:04:58,740 --> 02:04:54,520
inside and I connected that with them

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but in actuality they were there to

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remedy that rather than being the cause

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of it

2340
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yeah I remember when you had suggested

2341
02:05:10,530 --> 02:05:08,020
you've you've talked about talked about

2342
02:05:14,910 --> 02:05:10,540
it a lot since then but that they

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injured you and they they try to fix you

2344
02:05:22,620 --> 02:05:17,140
and heal you that they felt bad about

2345
02:05:25,140 --> 02:05:22,630
that yeah at least morally they were the

2346
02:05:27,620 --> 02:05:25,150
only ones in a position to correct that

2347
02:05:30,900 --> 02:05:27,630
kind of damage they knew what they did

2348
02:05:33,630 --> 02:05:30,910
yeah yeah and well I don't even blame

2349
02:05:37,050 --> 02:05:33,640
them you know it was my impulsive action

2350
02:05:41,090 --> 02:05:37,060
my getting too close that led to this

2351
02:05:45,000 --> 02:05:41,100
energy discharge and it may have been

2352
02:05:47,730 --> 02:05:45,010
something that they were just unable to

2353
02:05:50,040 --> 02:05:47,740
prevent or control yeah right right

2354
02:05:52,350 --> 02:05:50,050
now what about you what about your sense

2355
02:05:56,070 --> 02:05:52,360
of time you know there was five days

2356
02:05:58,560 --> 02:05:56,080
that went by on that craft in in in

2357
02:06:00,840 --> 02:05:58,570
terms of you know earth time in your own

2358
02:06:04,410 --> 02:06:00,850
body clock how long did you think you

2359
02:06:07,230 --> 02:06:04,420
were on that ship well it was quite a

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02:06:09,420 --> 02:06:07,240
revelation you know in my initial

2361
02:06:13,710 --> 02:06:09,430
conversation with my brother after he

2362
02:06:16,500 --> 02:06:13,720
had recovered me was that I thought it

2363
02:06:19,890 --> 02:06:16,510
was the same night so I thought so

2364
02:06:21,660 --> 02:06:19,900
little time had gone by that I didn't

2365
02:06:25,560 --> 02:06:21,670
realize hey you know he's telling me now

2366
02:06:29,190 --> 02:06:25,570
Travis is five days gone by and that was

2367
02:06:32,160 --> 02:06:29,200
quite a shock I I did not understand

2368
02:06:32,880 --> 02:06:32,170
until he said that that that that was

2369
02:06:38,250 --> 02:06:32,890
the case

2370
02:06:41,010 --> 02:06:38,260
so I was probably unconscious quite a

2371
02:06:43,740 --> 02:06:41,020
bit at the time unless they have some

2372
02:06:47,700 --> 02:06:43,750
memory blocking effect going on there

2373
02:06:49,290 --> 02:06:47,710
and what about again this is you know

2374
02:06:54,090 --> 02:06:49,300
this is a fade or not Jimmy Church

2375
02:06:55,860 --> 02:06:54,100
question bathroom well that's a good

2376
02:06:58,170 --> 02:06:55,870
question and I've been asked that before

2377
02:07:00,900 --> 02:06:58,180
people say he was did you ever use the

2378
02:07:05,460 --> 02:07:00,910
rest of Nod I don't recall ever use in a

2379
02:07:09,090 --> 02:07:05,470
restroom but I would assume that most

2380
02:07:13,380 --> 02:07:09,100
likely the bodily processes would

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02:07:15,900 --> 02:07:13,390
continue and that such a need wouldn't

2382
02:07:18,690 --> 02:07:15,910
come about within five days ban

2383
02:07:21,810 --> 02:07:18,700
certainly you've always wanted a new

2384
02:07:27,620 --> 02:07:21,820
film made and you've been talking about

2385
02:07:31,020 --> 02:07:27,630
that is there any progress yeah I

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02:07:33,300 --> 02:07:31,030
contacted by a number of producers in a

2387
02:07:35,270 --> 02:07:33,310
position to do something about it but I

2388
02:07:40,440 --> 02:07:35,280
guess it takes a little more than that

2389
02:07:46,350 --> 02:07:40,450
I'm primarily interested in greater

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02:07:49,650 --> 02:07:46,360
accuracy and the more information you

2391
02:07:52,050 --> 02:07:49,660
know my goal is to help people to

2392
02:07:58,710 --> 02:07:52,060
understand the nature of this phenomena

2393
02:08:01,520 --> 02:07:58,720
and accept the reality of it so I think

2394
02:08:07,220 --> 02:08:01,530
there can be a very interesting movie

2395
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without resorting to you know sort of

2396
02:08:15,330 --> 02:08:13,050
Wow is always a sci-fi sort of spooky

2397
02:08:19,610 --> 02:08:15,340
fear-mongering that you know they said

2398
02:08:23,580 --> 02:08:19,620
there's a there's enough drama and

2399
02:08:26,250 --> 02:08:23,590
understandable intensity of emotion

2400
02:08:31,320 --> 02:08:26,260
without going beyond what actually

2401
02:08:36,300 --> 02:08:31,330
occurred it it it is a WoW is owies

2402
02:08:38,130 --> 02:08:36,310
sci-fi film Travis the fear side of it

2403
02:08:41,550 --> 02:08:38,140
it needs to be told from your

2404
02:08:42,740 --> 02:08:41,560
perspective no doubt but it is as sci-fi

2405
02:08:46,320 --> 02:08:42,750
as it gets

2406
02:08:49,230 --> 02:08:46,330
yeah well it's it's it's

2407
02:08:53,100 --> 02:08:49,240
but it's real you know right and it's

2408
02:08:57,720 --> 02:08:53,110
it's been here a long time and you know

2409
02:09:01,530 --> 02:08:57,730
there are historical evidence that it's

2410
02:09:05,190 --> 02:09:01,540
come about you know that people dig up

2411
02:09:09,090 --> 02:09:05,200
all the time and I gave a talk here a

2412
02:09:12,960 --> 02:09:09,100
few years ago to a group of almost a

2413
02:09:15,980 --> 02:09:12,970
thousand Native Americans and the tales

2414
02:09:19,860 --> 02:09:15,990
that they have in their prehistory their

2415
02:09:22,920 --> 02:09:19,870
long-standing oral traditions about the

2416
02:09:27,840 --> 02:09:22,930
sky people this is nothing new to them

2417
02:09:32,360 --> 02:09:27,850
and in fact there's some stories going

2418
02:09:35,610 --> 02:09:32,370
around here there's petroglyphs rock

2419
02:09:41,150 --> 02:09:35,620
carvings in on the canyon walls near

2420
02:09:43,670 --> 02:09:41,160
snow flake depicting aliens and

2421
02:09:51,890 --> 02:09:43,680
encounters between Native Americans and

2422
02:09:56,280 --> 02:09:51,900
the sky people well I'm looking to do a

2423
02:09:58,770 --> 02:09:56,290
an expedition to photograph some of

2424
02:10:02,570 --> 02:09:58,780
these here in the near future there's a

2425
02:10:09,050 --> 02:10:02,580
there's a depiction of a Native American

2426
02:10:12,950 --> 02:10:09,060
drawing back a bow and arrow aiming at

2427
02:10:17,450 --> 02:10:12,960
hovering spacecraft and you know these

2428
02:10:24,420 --> 02:10:17,460
this this petroglyph is something that

2429
02:10:27,150 --> 02:10:24,430
my wife's grandfather said was there as

2430
02:10:30,870 --> 02:10:27,160
long as it he knows about and there's a

2431
02:10:33,270 --> 02:10:30,880
patina that forms on a rock carving now

2432
02:10:35,850 --> 02:10:33,280
after it's made you can tell these

2433
02:10:38,040 --> 02:10:35,860
things are hundreds of years old so I

2434
02:10:45,890 --> 02:10:38,050
want to authenticate this as much as

2435
02:10:53,340 --> 02:10:50,990
oral history about these petroglyphs and

2436
02:10:56,060 --> 02:10:53,350
you know what people remember about

2437
02:10:59,040 --> 02:10:56,070
those yeah the American Indians get it

2438
02:10:59,919 --> 02:10:59,050
yeah you know they get it it's been

2439
02:11:02,860 --> 02:10:59,929
there forever

2440
02:11:05,260 --> 02:11:02,870
look this is this is why I love my

2441
02:11:06,160 --> 02:11:05,270
audience this question just came in I

2442
02:11:10,360 --> 02:11:06,170
have to ask it

2443
02:11:12,750 --> 02:11:10,370
do you watch the x-files I've watched

2444
02:11:15,580 --> 02:11:12,760
some I didn't watch them all the time

2445
02:11:20,169 --> 02:11:15,590
well you know how you know how Scully

2446
02:11:24,880 --> 02:11:20,179
never believes somebody's story right

2447
02:11:26,590 --> 02:11:24,890
okay Fox you know he's into it and and

2448
02:11:29,260 --> 02:11:26,600
he he's right there

2449
02:11:32,649 --> 02:11:29,270
Scully's always the pragmatic one that

2450
02:11:36,610 --> 02:11:32,659
that doesn't believe anything but if you

2451
02:11:39,760 --> 02:11:36,620
were if you went up this is Scully Boggs

2452
02:11:44,790 --> 02:11:39,770
molar and you told them your story do

2453
02:11:47,590 --> 02:11:44,800
you think Scully would buy it well

2454
02:11:50,200 --> 02:11:47,600
logically the kind of evidence that

2455
02:11:53,620 --> 02:11:50,210
persuades them of the reality of things

2456
02:11:58,270 --> 02:11:53,630
that they investigate we have that kind

2457
02:12:00,820 --> 02:11:58,280
of evidence in this case so I think that

2458
02:12:04,540 --> 02:12:00,830
they should just like you know people

2459
02:12:06,100 --> 02:12:04,550
who doubt me it's frustrating to me

2460
02:12:08,380 --> 02:12:06,110
because these are the same kind of

2461
02:12:12,600 --> 02:12:08,390
people who would accept a much lower

2462
02:12:14,770 --> 02:12:12,610
level of evidence to justify you know

2463
02:12:18,970 --> 02:12:14,780
incarcerated somebody for life or even

2464
02:12:21,970 --> 02:12:18,980
giving them the death penalty so you

2465
02:12:24,790 --> 02:12:21,980
know let's let's status stand back and

2466
02:12:27,130 --> 02:12:24,800
say you know let's have a uniform

2467
02:12:30,459 --> 02:12:27,140
standards here you know what's what's

2468
02:12:34,840 --> 02:12:30,469
good good enough to person B's

2469
02:12:38,500 --> 02:12:34,850
persuasive conclusive evidence in one

2470
02:12:40,860 --> 02:12:38,510
circumstance certainly ought to be in

2471
02:12:46,630 --> 02:12:40,870
other circumstance across the board

2472
02:12:50,110 --> 02:12:46,640
absolutely absolutely now putting the

2473
02:12:52,660 --> 02:12:50,120
70s aside and the attention that that

2474
02:12:55,780 --> 02:12:52,670
that your case got from the government

2475
02:12:58,899 --> 02:12:55,790
and and UFO research groups in the media

2476
02:13:02,410 --> 02:12:58,909
but since then and and coming up to

2477
02:13:05,229 --> 02:13:02,420
today have you had a men and black

2478
02:13:10,209 --> 02:13:05,239
experience have you been followed has

2479
02:13:13,479 --> 02:13:10,219
there been any contact well there's

2480
02:13:17,320 --> 02:13:13,489
definitely a reality to that phone

2481
02:13:21,970 --> 02:13:17,330
and it's been inflicted on most of the

2482
02:13:26,310 --> 02:13:21,980
woods crew and strangely lacking in my

2483
02:13:29,560 --> 02:13:26,320
case now I've heard secondhand about

2484
02:13:33,660 --> 02:13:29,570
that there was a sort of a monitoring

2485
02:13:36,100 --> 02:13:33,670
going on in my case but it was very

2486
02:13:40,959 --> 02:13:36,110
circumspect for some reason that they

2487
02:13:43,390 --> 02:13:40,969
were trying to be less intrusive on me

2488
02:13:47,170 --> 02:13:43,400
than they were on some of the crew you

2489
02:13:49,990 --> 02:13:47,180
know John he relates coming out of his

2490
02:13:51,610 --> 02:13:50,000
house and seeing these guys very obvious

2491
02:13:53,640 --> 02:13:51,620
men and black kind of guy sitting in a

2492
02:13:56,560 --> 02:13:53,650
government car sitting down the street

2493
02:13:58,990 --> 02:13:56,570
you know Mike found out from his

2494
02:14:02,830 --> 02:13:59,000
neighbors that they had rented out their

2495
02:14:06,040 --> 02:14:02,840
upstairs rooms to the government so they

2496
02:14:13,000 --> 02:14:06,050
could sit there and keep him under

2497
02:14:13,690 --> 02:14:13,010
observation and but in your case not so

2498
02:14:17,170 --> 02:14:13,700
much

2499
02:14:21,220 --> 02:14:17,180
hands off I'm told that there's a reason

2500
02:14:23,680 --> 02:14:21,230
for that there I'm this sounds

2501
02:14:25,660 --> 02:14:23,690
ridiculous it sounds preposterous I

2502
02:14:31,510 --> 02:14:25,670
probably shouldn't even say it but they

2503
02:14:33,940 --> 02:14:31,520
say I'm protected by theirs theirs by

2504
02:14:38,250 --> 02:14:33,950
them by his women it wasn't that it

2505
02:14:41,290 --> 02:14:38,260
wasn't said but whether they mean by

2506
02:14:45,450 --> 02:14:41,300
aliens or government entities or what

2507
02:14:48,070 --> 02:14:45,460
whatever you know the observation and

2508
02:14:50,890 --> 02:14:48,080
that sort of thing went was pretty

2509
02:14:56,220 --> 02:14:50,900
intensive on people like like Steve he

2510
02:15:03,130 --> 02:15:00,250
that's a multi-layered story yeah that's

2511
02:15:06,160 --> 02:15:03,140
interesting so so you and your family

2512
02:15:09,720 --> 02:15:06,170
are hands off that's what I'm told

2513
02:15:13,410 --> 02:15:09,730
that's that's awesome actually

2514
02:15:16,240 --> 02:15:13,420
well a guy from military intelligence

2515
02:15:22,800 --> 02:15:16,250
contacted me right before we went on the

2516
02:15:26,380 --> 02:15:22,810
Larry King show and he seemed to be

2517
02:15:26,790 --> 02:15:26,390
volunteering to be an independent

2518
02:15:31,080 --> 02:15:26,800
witness

2519
02:15:34,890 --> 02:15:31,090
that he was in the area observing from

2520
02:15:37,229 --> 02:15:34,900
the next hillside uh what happened with

2521
02:15:39,600 --> 02:15:37,239
the glow of the craft of the flash of

2522
02:15:43,620 --> 02:15:39,610
the beam and all that and he was willing

2523
02:15:45,299 --> 02:15:43,630
to come forward on that and he said he

2524
02:15:47,399 --> 02:15:45,309
was on leave from military intelligence

2525
02:15:55,830 --> 02:15:47,409
he was deer hunting in the area at that

2526
02:16:00,089 --> 02:15:55,840
time and was you know told by his

2527
02:16:02,520 --> 02:16:00,099
superiors to back off and not get

2528
02:16:05,490 --> 02:16:02,530
involved unless the men actually were

2529
02:16:07,709 --> 02:16:05,500
charged with my murder and of course

2530
02:16:09,780 --> 02:16:07,719
since I was returned subsequently they

2531
02:16:13,560 --> 02:16:09,790
were let off the hook they couldn't

2532
02:16:16,560 --> 02:16:13,570
overturn me but that's kind of strange

2533
02:16:26,040 --> 02:16:16,570
this guy was actually given a polygraph

2534
02:16:31,160 --> 02:16:26,050
test and some fairly strange things

2535
02:16:36,509 --> 02:16:31,170
about his connections to some of the

2536
02:16:39,320 --> 02:16:36,519
disinformation people came out with with

2537
02:16:42,540 --> 02:16:39,330
the lie detector test that's amazing and

2538
02:16:46,200 --> 02:16:42,550
when you you do a lot of public speaking

2539
02:16:48,509 --> 02:16:46,210
and you're contacted often only you know

2540
02:16:49,620 --> 02:16:48,519
the the private things that you're gonna

2541
02:16:51,959 --> 02:16:49,630
keep to yourself

2542
02:16:55,320 --> 02:16:51,969
about your experience and I understand

2543
02:16:57,120 --> 02:16:55,330
that have you been contacted or had a

2544
02:17:00,059 --> 02:16:57,130
conversation with somebody that's come

2545
02:17:04,259 --> 02:17:00,069
up to you and told you about their

2546
02:17:11,870 --> 02:17:04,269
experience and mention something that

2547
02:17:16,129 --> 02:17:11,880
only you know um but it this way I have

2548
02:17:26,129 --> 02:17:16,139
heard from people who know things that

2549
02:17:28,770 --> 02:17:26,139
check out in terms of they know what has

2550
02:17:35,219 --> 02:17:28,780
what I'm being told you know has to be

2551
02:17:39,060 --> 02:17:35,229
true and so what again not going back to

2552
02:17:40,680 --> 02:17:39,070
disclosure but when that happens

2553
02:17:43,080 --> 02:17:40,690
and and you hear something again you

2554
02:17:46,140 --> 02:17:43,090
know something that only you know and

2555
02:17:50,190 --> 02:17:46,150
it's part of their experience so you

2556
02:17:52,650 --> 02:17:50,200
know that their experience was just as

2557
02:17:55,670 --> 02:17:52,660
genuine as yours

2558
02:18:00,270 --> 02:17:55,680
how does that affect you emotionally

2559
02:18:02,480 --> 02:18:00,280
well it's it's so it's actually

2560
02:18:06,000 --> 02:18:02,490
gratifying in the same way that this

2561
02:18:11,480 --> 02:18:06,010
December 16 thing happened it's it's

2562
02:18:16,470 --> 02:18:11,490
it's a long-overdue sort of confirmation

2563
02:18:21,720 --> 02:18:16,480
parallel experience and it's much much

2564
02:18:25,020 --> 02:18:21,730
bigger than just to me in six and this

2565
02:18:30,390 --> 02:18:25,030
is the big driver when when you get that

2566
02:18:33,690 --> 02:18:30,400
kind of confirmation does it indicate to

2567
02:18:38,400 --> 02:18:33,700
you that there may be a limited amount

2568
02:18:41,400 --> 02:18:38,410
of types of ETS or races or beings that

2569
02:18:43,950 --> 02:18:41,410
are visiting here it may be fewer than

2570
02:18:45,840 --> 02:18:43,960
we think or you know them we can imagine

2571
02:18:47,820 --> 02:18:45,850
the number could be in the tens of

2572
02:18:51,390 --> 02:18:47,830
thousands there are so many planets and

2573
02:18:53,520 --> 02:18:51,400
stars but if there's if the experiences

2574
02:18:56,100 --> 02:18:53,530
are the same or maybe the type of craft

2575
02:19:01,110 --> 02:18:56,110
or or whatever it is that maybe it's

2576
02:19:03,450 --> 02:19:01,120
just a few yeah and you know I think it

2577
02:19:07,730 --> 02:19:03,460
has to do with the life forms and the

2578
02:19:11,940 --> 02:19:07,740
kinds of environments that they're

2579
02:19:17,240 --> 02:19:11,950
adjusted to and evolved to deal with

2580
02:19:25,890 --> 02:19:22,350
debunkers skeptics were fond of saying

2581
02:19:28,260 --> 02:19:25,900
all these reports of alien beings having

2582
02:19:30,330 --> 02:19:28,270
two arms and two legs and head on top

2583
02:19:33,630 --> 02:19:30,340
they would never look like that they

2584
02:19:37,260 --> 02:19:33,640
would look like a cockroach or octopus

2585
02:19:40,560 --> 02:19:37,270
or something right but I I think they're

2586
02:19:43,800 --> 02:19:40,570
being very unscientific there I think

2587
02:19:48,390 --> 02:19:43,810
that the beings who came about in a

2588
02:19:50,190 --> 02:19:48,400
similar circumstance as ours are the

2589
02:19:52,460 --> 02:19:50,200
ones who are going to have an

2590
02:19:57,610 --> 02:19:52,470
exceptional interest in

2591
02:20:02,080 --> 02:19:57,620
and I also think that a sentient life

2592
02:20:08,240 --> 02:20:02,090
intelligent beings tool using animals

2593
02:20:10,880 --> 02:20:08,250
are going to have a certain set of

2594
02:20:14,290 --> 02:20:10,890
characteristics in common it would have

2595
02:20:18,889 --> 02:20:14,300
to be yeah and you know I look around

2596
02:20:23,389 --> 02:20:18,899
various life forms here on earth and you

2597
02:20:26,800 --> 02:20:23,399
see parallel situations between

2598
02:20:32,210 --> 02:20:26,810
different types of life forms that

2599
02:20:39,800 --> 02:20:32,220
logically would extend beyond this

2600
02:20:41,929 --> 02:20:39,810
planet there are life forms here on the

2601
02:20:44,510 --> 02:20:41,939
earth that are unrelated

2602
02:20:46,309 --> 02:20:44,520
they didn't one come from the other but

2603
02:20:50,090 --> 02:20:46,319
yet they come on them they take on a

2604
02:20:54,320 --> 02:20:50,100
very similar form because that's what

2605
02:20:56,900 --> 02:20:54,330
their environment demands basically what

2606
02:20:59,690 --> 02:20:56,910
I'm trying to say is like everything

2607
02:21:02,059 --> 02:20:59,700
that comes to live in the water comes to

2608
02:21:04,070 --> 02:21:02,069
look very fish like even though they

2609
02:21:06,920 --> 02:21:04,080
didn't necessarily evolved from a fish

2610
02:21:10,820 --> 02:21:06,930
or come up about you know whether it's a

2611
02:21:16,160 --> 02:21:10,830
bird or a mammal or a reptile or an

2612
02:21:18,800 --> 02:21:16,170
amphibian they all found that the best

2613
02:21:21,139 --> 02:21:18,810
way to get around in the water is to

2614
02:21:23,540 --> 02:21:21,149
little flippers in the front and one big

2615
02:21:29,240 --> 02:21:23,550
one in the back you know it it's what

2616
02:21:37,400 --> 02:21:29,250
works and so that kind of analogy holds

2617
02:21:42,620 --> 02:21:37,410
true in conscious animals beings you

2618
02:21:46,940 --> 02:21:42,630
know from other worlds that and they

2619
02:21:49,099 --> 02:21:46,950
breathe they breathed oxygen right you

2620
02:21:52,330 --> 02:21:49,109
guys have the same you survived in their

2621
02:21:54,679 --> 02:21:52,340
environment yeah I think the laws of

2622
02:21:56,330 --> 02:21:54,689
biochemistry are going to be pretty

2623
02:21:59,389 --> 02:21:56,340
similar I know there's going to be as

2624
02:22:03,050 --> 02:21:59,399
bizarre exceptions out there and

2625
02:22:05,719 --> 02:22:03,060
scientists love to conjecture about such

2626
02:22:10,090 --> 02:22:05,729
things but but the truth is

2627
02:22:15,069 --> 02:22:10,100
I'm wagering mark my words right that

2628
02:22:17,660 --> 02:22:15,079
when humans venture out to other

2629
02:22:19,630 --> 02:22:17,670
life-supporting planets that the life

2630
02:22:23,260 --> 02:22:19,640
forms is they're gonna find there are

2631
02:22:29,269 --> 02:22:23,270
going to be disappointingly familiar

2632
02:22:34,550 --> 02:22:29,279
right so who who you encountered there

2633
02:22:36,920 --> 02:22:34,560
the male and the female ET race could

2634
02:22:39,649 --> 02:22:36,930
they because they were breathing you

2635
02:22:42,080 --> 02:22:39,659
know a similar atmosphere tar could they

2636
02:22:44,599 --> 02:22:42,090
walk down the street here and now they

2637
02:22:46,489 --> 02:22:44,609
know they good you know I remarked from

2638
02:22:48,859 --> 02:22:46,499
the beginning that they they could pass

2639
02:22:50,809 --> 02:22:48,869
in a crowd if they so desired if that's

2640
02:22:52,969 --> 02:22:50,819
what they wanted to do is to just blend

2641
02:22:53,649 --> 02:22:52,979
in and they they could be doing it right

2642
02:23:03,229 --> 02:22:53,659
now

2643
02:23:06,189 --> 02:23:03,239
could they Travis could they be us well

2644
02:23:08,179 --> 02:23:06,199
yeah that's possible to you know whether

2645
02:23:11,120 --> 02:23:08,189
you know there's all kinds of

2646
02:23:12,189 --> 02:23:11,130
speculations that they seed us here long

2647
02:23:14,929 --> 02:23:12,199
ago right

2648
02:23:18,349 --> 02:23:14,939
mmm you know all sorts of explanations

2649
02:23:25,179 --> 02:23:18,359
along that line or are they just very

2650
02:23:32,120 --> 02:23:28,189
very very similar to them there's a

2651
02:23:34,370 --> 02:23:32,130
similar history similar development they

2652
02:23:36,710 --> 02:23:34,380
can you know answer all kinds of

2653
02:23:39,500 --> 02:23:36,720
questions about themselves just observe

2654
02:23:41,210 --> 02:23:39,510
you knows absolutely fascinating

2655
02:23:43,370 --> 02:23:41,220
conversation tonight Travis we're not

2656
02:23:47,000 --> 02:23:43,380
gonna wait for years for the next time

2657
02:23:49,729 --> 02:23:47,010
but are you planning another Starfire

2658
02:23:52,309 --> 02:23:49,739
conference up there in heater yeah I

2659
02:23:54,769 --> 02:23:52,319
would like to do that again and I've had

2660
02:23:58,250 --> 02:23:54,779
a number of people offered to you know

2661
02:24:01,729 --> 02:23:58,260
sponsor such an event and recently

2662
02:24:04,069 --> 02:24:01,739
MUFON Phoenix MUFON come up with a sort

2663
02:24:09,939 --> 02:24:04,079
of a satellite group that and we a

2664
02:24:13,670 --> 02:24:09,949
couple weeks ago had a local chapter

2665
02:24:15,559 --> 02:24:13,680
she'll know MUFON and that's going to

2666
02:24:19,609 --> 02:24:15,569
continue in the future

2667
02:24:22,519 --> 02:24:19,619
so they'll probably hold that

2668
02:24:26,599 --> 02:24:22,529
in a different location because we need

2669
02:24:28,340 --> 02:24:26,609
more space but you know do that again in

2670
02:24:30,200 --> 02:24:28,350
the near future man I want to come hang

2671
02:24:33,590 --> 02:24:30,210
out at that I wanted to go to the last

2672
02:24:35,540 --> 02:24:33,600
Starfire everybody talked about that and

2673
02:24:38,029 --> 02:24:35,550
going up to the site and the way that

2674
02:24:40,729 --> 02:24:38,039
you did that it must have been just so

2675
02:24:43,580 --> 02:24:40,739
much fun and you do have to do another

2676
02:24:46,550 --> 02:24:43,590
one are you doing any speaking what's up

2677
02:24:49,040 --> 02:24:46,560
next well I'll be speaking at the

2678
02:24:51,649 --> 02:24:49,050
International UFO Congress you know the

2679
02:24:55,969 --> 02:24:51,659
14th through the 18th that's down at

2680
02:25:01,880 --> 02:24:55,979
Scottsdale at the casino there mmm del

2681
02:25:03,859 --> 02:25:01,890
Casino and then in March on the 18th I'm

2682
02:25:09,260 --> 02:25:03,869
going to be doing the Phoenix light

2683
02:25:11,929 --> 02:25:09,270
there's a commemoration of that coming

2684
02:25:16,309 --> 02:25:11,939
up and only speaking of that with the

2685
02:25:21,349 --> 02:25:16,319
link to tie yeah Lynn Catan and the

2686
02:25:23,899 --> 02:25:21,359
devil Rangers are gonna be there so this

2687
02:25:26,750 --> 02:25:23,909
weekend you will fo Congress then that

2688
02:25:28,639 --> 02:25:26,760
kicks off in two days that's an enormous

2689
02:25:30,800 --> 02:25:28,649
event we couldn't do it this year I have

2690
02:25:32,599 --> 02:25:30,810
to work and we just did this other

2691
02:25:35,569 --> 02:25:32,609
conference that we just got back today

2692
02:25:38,330 --> 02:25:35,579
from but and then Phoenix lights with a

2693
02:25:40,489 --> 02:25:38,340
linkit eye and anything that you need

2694
02:25:43,099 --> 02:25:40,499
here let us know we'll get it out there

2695
02:25:45,319 --> 02:25:43,109
for you Travis thank you so much great

2696
02:25:47,210 --> 02:25:45,329
thank you it's great talking with you

2697
02:25:49,519 --> 02:25:47,220
and we'll get you a spare fade to black

2698
02:25:53,330 --> 02:25:49,529
t-shirt so you can wear and wash the

2699
02:25:55,429 --> 02:25:53,340
other one yeah okay Travis you're the

2700
02:25:58,010 --> 02:25:55,439
best man thank you so much be safe out

2701
02:26:00,859 --> 02:25:58,020
there and tell everybody out at the

2702
02:26:01,489 --> 02:26:00,869
Congress that we said hello thank you so

2703
02:26:03,290 --> 02:26:01,499
much okay

2704
02:26:05,029 --> 02:26:03,300
great interview great great show yeah

2705
02:26:09,200 --> 02:26:05,039
thank you drivers Travis Walton

2706
02:26:11,179 --> 02:26:09,210
everybody his website he's got Travis

2707
02:26:12,920 --> 02:26:11,189
Walton not calm it's right there you can

2708
02:26:15,469 --> 02:26:12,930
go and visit that we have links up at

2709
02:26:18,439 --> 02:26:15,479
Jimmy Church radio and I'm gonna take a

2710
02:26:20,689 --> 02:26:18,449
quick break and come back and take some

2711
02:26:21,500 --> 02:26:20,699
phone calls and have a little bit of fun

2712
02:26:24,410 --> 02:26:21,510
this is fade to black

2713
02:26:27,080 --> 02:26:24,420
again thank you to Travis Walton this

2714
02:26:30,469 --> 02:26:27,090
weekend at the International UFO

2715
02:26:32,239 --> 02:26:30,479
Congress in Scottsdale Arizona and with

2716
02:26:32,660 --> 02:26:32,249
that I'm gonna take a quick break I'll

2717
02:26:35,570 --> 02:26:32,670
be

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02:26:39,830 --> 02:26:35,580
right back this is fade to black on the

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2769
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2770
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younger you know your hair was thicker

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you didn't have so many wrinkles that

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extra weight wasn't haunting you and you

2773
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just felt better well we can't turn back

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this is KJ CR Jimmy's Hertz radio jockey

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[Applause]

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02:31:02,949 --> 02:31:00,429
[Music]

2798
02:31:05,559 --> 02:31:02,959
welcome back fade to black I'm your host

2799
02:31:08,109 --> 02:31:05,569
Jimmy church what a great conversation

2800
02:31:09,999 --> 02:31:08,119
that was with Travis Walton I can't

2801
02:31:13,179 --> 02:31:10,009
believe it's been four years but it

2802
02:31:15,729 --> 02:31:13,189
hasn't officially it's well it's since

2803
02:31:17,889 --> 02:31:15,739
we've done a full show but he's been on

2804
02:31:21,069 --> 02:31:17,899
with this every time we've been at

2805
02:31:24,069 --> 02:31:21,079
contact and wise well he was on with

2806
02:31:26,559 --> 02:31:24,079
this so anytime we've done remote so

2807
02:31:29,399 --> 02:31:26,569
he's been on every year but now we

2808
02:31:33,239 --> 02:31:29,409
haven't had that full conversation

2809
02:31:35,949 --> 02:31:33,249
pretty enlightening - pretty amazing

2810
02:31:37,419 --> 02:31:35,959
pretty amazing conversation and with

2811
02:31:39,550 --> 02:31:37,429
that I've opened up the phone lines

2812
02:31:41,649 --> 02:31:39,560
three two three eight two five five zero

2813
02:31:45,639 --> 02:31:41,659
four or five or three two three two

2814
02:31:47,379 --> 02:31:45,649
seven five nine six nine five and got

2815
02:31:48,969 --> 02:31:47,389
calls already coming in let's go to the

2816
02:31:50,849 --> 02:31:48,979
phones hi you're live on fade to black

2817
02:31:54,459 --> 02:31:50,859
who's calling

2818
02:32:01,199 --> 02:31:54,469
how are you really yes you're alive

2819
02:32:02,819 --> 02:32:01,209
oh my gosh I'm so excited thank you

2820
02:32:06,669 --> 02:32:02,829
mirela

2821
02:32:10,539 --> 02:32:06,679
elephant Sydney Australia how are you

2822
02:32:14,260 --> 02:32:10,549
I'm good moon I'm very good I love that

2823
02:32:18,129 --> 02:32:14,270
interview in fact I love so much of what

2824
02:32:21,039 --> 02:32:18,139
you do and so much confirmation and

2825
02:32:24,010 --> 02:32:21,049
different with different people and I

2826
02:32:27,010 --> 02:32:24,020
was like with you on you know December

2827
02:32:30,039 --> 02:32:27,020
and that whole thing and I had to make a

2828
02:32:33,090 --> 02:32:30,049
page on my facebook because I have so

2829
02:32:35,709 --> 02:32:33,100
many nice things that that you actually

2830
02:32:38,469 --> 02:32:35,719
broadcast and I put them on on a page

2831
02:32:41,679 --> 02:32:38,479
not on my facebook where I talked to my

2832
02:32:44,079 --> 02:32:41,689
daughter in LA and she lives there we

2833
02:32:46,840 --> 02:32:44,089
met we might three grandchildren but

2834
02:32:48,539 --> 02:32:46,850
today was nice because I have a little

2835
02:32:55,829 --> 02:32:48,549
less affinity with this ow

2836
02:32:59,619 --> 02:32:55,839
and why was that a trip or what I'm you

2837
02:33:01,929 --> 02:32:59,629
know I really do I was in Germany for a

2838
02:33:03,519 --> 02:33:01,939
few years and I had and there was a big

2839
02:33:07,510 --> 02:33:03,529
al that lived in the south where

2840
02:33:08,279 --> 02:33:07,520
actually had it had an experienced

2841
02:33:11,039 --> 02:33:08,289
society

2842
02:33:13,469 --> 02:33:11,049
but I won't talk about that now that it

2843
02:33:15,329 --> 02:33:13,479
was just so nice to hear that but

2844
02:33:20,249 --> 02:33:15,339
there's been many little things that

2845
02:33:22,489 --> 02:33:20,259
you've been able to get people to

2846
02:33:24,959 --> 02:33:22,499
disclose just really a really sensitive

2847
02:33:26,909 --> 02:33:24,969
interviewing and I'm just like I talked

2848
02:33:30,599 --> 02:33:26,919
about you here all the time in my new

2849
02:33:34,949 --> 02:33:30,609
community maroubra beach which one

2850
02:33:38,269 --> 02:33:34,959
interview you did David Wilcock alluded

2851
02:33:41,519 --> 02:33:38,279
to botany bay this is very young crowd

2852
02:33:43,169 --> 02:33:41,529
where I live but I didn't I didn't get

2853
02:33:44,489 --> 02:33:43,179
what he said and I haven't seen I would

2854
02:33:48,059 --> 02:33:44,499
have find it again

2855
02:33:51,059 --> 02:33:48,069
but you know ever since I've been able

2856
02:33:54,839 --> 02:33:51,069
to you know get get with you on lady I

2857
02:33:57,989 --> 02:33:54,849
could--but hard here give me all nervous

2858
02:34:01,229 --> 02:33:57,999
but it was hard to get the code for the

2859
02:34:04,229 --> 02:34:01,239
Froude number and thank you Thank You

2860
02:34:06,929 --> 02:34:04,239
Jimmy and thank you to your family thank

2861
02:34:09,989 --> 02:34:06,939
you to you not just the whole the whole

2862
02:34:11,939 --> 02:34:09,999
production I want I I'm saying to

2863
02:34:14,609 --> 02:34:11,949
Malaysia I talk to her every day she

2864
02:34:17,489 --> 02:34:14,619
won't married a marine but they got

2865
02:34:20,010 --> 02:34:17,499
divorced it lots of different means my

2866
02:34:22,979 --> 02:34:20,020
brother had it has had an interview in

2867
02:34:25,679 --> 02:34:22,989
this paper he had a sighting me up the

2868
02:34:27,989 --> 02:34:25,689
top of the river and he was panning for

2869
02:34:32,459 --> 02:34:27,999
gold that was pretty United but it was

2870
02:34:34,589 --> 02:34:32,469
the same time I got a hold of Adam my

2871
02:34:36,839 --> 02:34:34,599
brother who's a better fit we don't see

2872
02:34:38,489 --> 02:34:36,849
each other that any way connected with

2873
02:34:40,279 --> 02:34:38,499
my brother's and so I've been listening

2874
02:34:45,179 --> 02:34:40,289
to thank you glad

2875
02:34:48,269 --> 02:34:45,189
hello Laird to fade to black is amazing

2876
02:34:50,219 --> 02:34:48,279
can I share yeah in Australia story that

2877
02:34:54,109 --> 02:34:50,229
happened this weekend it was it was so

2878
02:34:57,629 --> 02:34:54,119
cool okay so we're what I like to do is

2879
02:35:00,899 --> 02:34:57,639
when I start off when I'm hosting at

2880
02:35:04,049 --> 02:35:00,909
conferences I'll ask the audience okay

2881
02:35:07,319 --> 02:35:04,059
who thinks they traveled the farthest to

2882
02:35:09,119 --> 02:35:07,329
get here right and so you know the hands

2883
02:35:12,989 --> 02:35:09,129
will fly up and we get these different

2884
02:35:15,119 --> 02:35:12,999
and so this this past Friday we get we

2885
02:35:17,579 --> 02:35:15,129
had somebody from Sweden I said okay

2886
02:35:19,859 --> 02:35:17,589
that's pretty good they think right they

2887
02:35:21,301 --> 02:35:19,869
thought that they got the t-shirt the

2888
02:35:23,970 --> 02:35:21,311
other guy raises his hand

2889
02:35:27,360 --> 02:35:23,980
then I'm you know from Austria who

2890
02:35:31,350 --> 02:35:27,370
that's kind of a tie right and I said

2891
02:35:34,051 --> 02:35:31,360
who else guy raised Australia mate and I

2892
02:35:36,720 --> 02:35:34,061
said right I said okay

2893
02:35:39,150 --> 02:35:36,730
absolutely that there's our winner how

2894
02:35:40,261 --> 02:35:39,160
do you go farther than Australia what

2895
02:35:42,390 --> 02:35:40,271
Antarctica

2896
02:35:46,621 --> 02:35:42,400
you know what's farther so he runs down

2897
02:35:49,501 --> 02:35:46,631
and grabs the shirt after and that was

2898
02:35:51,270 --> 02:35:49,511
great right so he steps up and I made

2899
02:35:53,400 --> 02:35:51,280
him say shrimp on the barbie and I

2900
02:35:55,951 --> 02:35:53,410
embarrass him and you know from you know

2901
02:35:59,911 --> 02:35:55,961
he gets his applause any any any spot

2902
02:36:02,341 --> 02:35:59,921
so after later on that night he comes up

2903
02:36:04,650 --> 02:36:02,351
and he's probably listening now maybe

2904
02:36:07,531 --> 02:36:04,660
he'll listen later if he's maybe he's

2905
02:36:09,781 --> 02:36:07,541
traveling but then his name was Jack so

2906
02:36:12,961 --> 02:36:09,791
Jack comes up he's wearing his fade to

2907
02:36:16,081 --> 02:36:12,971
black shirt Jack comes up and it says

2908
02:36:19,680 --> 02:36:16,091
dude man I love fade to black I'm a fade

2909
02:36:22,711 --> 02:36:19,690
or not I am fully engaged Australian

2910
02:36:24,600 --> 02:36:22,721
loves it so it just so happens that he

2911
02:36:27,081 --> 02:36:24,610
was from Australia he won the t-shirt

2912
02:36:30,841 --> 02:36:27,091
but what made it all the more special

2913
02:36:33,541 --> 02:36:30,851
was man Australia he loves you mate we

2914
02:36:36,570 --> 02:36:33,551
that we all love fade to black and I'm

2915
02:36:38,940 --> 02:36:36,580
afraid or not yeah it was so cool so

2916
02:36:42,360 --> 02:36:38,950
there you go yeah we love Australia

2917
02:36:45,600 --> 02:36:42,370
right back thank you so much thank you

2918
02:36:54,001 --> 02:36:45,610
very much you always bring thank you are

2919
02:36:56,190 --> 02:36:54,011
you on Twitter right I'm 55 I said to my

2920
02:36:57,690 --> 02:36:56,200
granddaughter she depends I don't know

2921
02:37:00,560 --> 02:36:57,700
how to use Instagram I didn't honey

2922
02:37:04,501 --> 02:37:00,570
Twitter she goes on grandma now right

2923
02:37:06,241 --> 02:37:04,511
okay just thank God that you come

2924
02:37:10,531 --> 02:37:06,251
through on the Facebook because that's

2925
02:37:13,970 --> 02:37:10,541
what I got and YouTube you know

2926
02:37:17,810 --> 02:37:13,980
everything you put on YouTube artfully

2927
02:37:20,520 --> 02:37:17,820
advanced I put it on too flawlessly in

2928
02:37:22,711 --> 02:37:20,530
public because I'm always awake at

2929
02:37:26,701 --> 02:37:22,721
create two and three in the morning like

2930
02:37:28,411 --> 02:37:26,711
stargazing whatever right and and I've

2931
02:37:31,291 --> 02:37:28,421
got a love affair with Akram and I

2932
02:37:33,661 --> 02:37:31,301
developed like a cartoon character for

2933
02:37:35,340 --> 02:37:33,671
me I work for Walt Disney for 12 years

2934
02:37:38,370 --> 02:37:35,350
right sorry

2935
02:37:40,500 --> 02:37:38,380
Maina so you know when Aquaman came on

2936
02:37:44,280 --> 02:37:40,510
the sea I swim every day surf every day

2937
02:37:45,570 --> 02:37:44,290
I've you know when when it come it's

2938
02:37:48,750 --> 02:37:45,580
beautiful here

2939
02:37:51,240 --> 02:37:48,760
Noba beach near Bondi at five minutes in

2940
02:37:54,300 --> 02:37:51,250
Bondi feel it like a two-hour hike walk

2941
02:37:58,649 --> 02:37:54,310
along with cuts to Bondi Beach so I flew

2942
02:38:01,740 --> 02:37:58,659
there but anyway thank you we love you

2943
02:38:06,179 --> 02:38:01,750
we made you right back attitude and your

2944
02:38:07,080 --> 02:38:06,189
name was Marella thank you so much great

2945
02:38:10,530 --> 02:38:07,090
phone call

2946
02:38:14,250 --> 02:38:10,540
thank you right back at you thank you so

2947
02:38:16,109 --> 02:38:14,260
much beautiful side yeah love you back

2948
02:38:19,320 --> 02:38:16,119
that's a great phone call right there

2949
02:38:23,120 --> 02:38:19,330
and this Australia thing that's going

2950
02:38:28,080 --> 02:38:23,130
down between fade to black and and

2951
02:38:28,500 --> 02:38:28,090
Australia it's amazing it's absolutely

2952
02:38:32,160 --> 02:38:28,510
amazing

2953
02:38:35,160 --> 02:38:32,170
you know Canada the UK New Zealand Rita

2954
02:38:37,979 --> 02:38:35,170
will tell you we we were getting on the

2955
02:38:40,200 --> 02:38:37,989
elevator at conscious life Expo and we

2956
02:38:42,599 --> 02:38:40,210
get on the elevator and there's you know

2957
02:38:45,599 --> 02:38:42,609
and gentlemen he's alone and he takes

2958
02:38:48,719 --> 02:38:45,609
one look at me and I because you know

2959
02:38:53,580 --> 02:38:48,729
Jimi Rita it's good to meet you man New

2960
02:38:57,809 --> 02:38:53,590
Zealand loves you oh man you have no

2961
02:39:00,630 --> 02:38:57,819
idea my god we do and and thank you for

2962
02:39:01,290 --> 02:39:00,640
that yet it's it's unbelievable to go

2963
02:39:03,510 --> 02:39:01,300
through all of that

2964
02:39:06,599 --> 02:39:03,520
alright three two three eighty five five

2965
02:39:11,820 --> 02:39:06,609
zero four five or three two three two

2966
02:39:14,880 --> 02:39:11,830
seven five nine six nine five and going

2967
02:39:18,570 --> 02:39:14,890
back to to Travis I wanted to make this

2968
02:39:21,059 --> 02:39:18,580
this comment he's very protective of his

2969
02:39:25,830 --> 02:39:21,069
kids and his family and and I understand

2970
02:39:30,179 --> 02:39:25,840
that but also one day Travis that I I

2971
02:39:31,559 --> 02:39:30,189
think we were having breakfast or lunch

2972
02:39:34,139 --> 02:39:31,569
or something we're sitting there and

2973
02:39:35,760 --> 02:39:34,149
we're trading pictures of our kids and

2974
02:39:38,479 --> 02:39:35,770
we're talking about what's going on and

2975
02:39:41,670 --> 02:39:38,489
he took me through everybody right and

2976
02:39:45,570 --> 02:39:41,680
and what they were doing and it was just

2977
02:39:47,099 --> 02:39:45,580
so cool so I knew that that was a zone I

2978
02:39:50,309 --> 02:39:47,109
really didn't

2979
02:39:52,889 --> 02:39:50,319
want to go into or that he wouldn't want

2980
02:39:54,960 --> 02:39:52,899
to touch on the show but there are

2981
02:39:57,630 --> 02:39:54,970
certain things that need to be discussed

2982
02:40:00,080 --> 02:39:57,640
about that and and we have to ask and

2983
02:40:03,750 --> 02:40:00,090
that's what brought up that owl

2984
02:40:07,530 --> 02:40:03,760
statement and and I'm glad that he

2985
02:40:10,819 --> 02:40:07,540
mentioned that so and to all of you out

2986
02:40:14,429 --> 02:40:10,829
there have you encountered the owl

2987
02:40:20,550 --> 02:40:14,439
aspect in your lives and and then he

2988
02:40:22,080 --> 02:40:20,560
said it's the eyes and I want Wow think

2989
02:40:24,630 --> 02:40:22,090
about that for a second

2990
02:40:26,130 --> 02:40:24,640
that was pretty amazing let's go back to

2991
02:40:29,550 --> 02:40:26,140
the phones hi you're live on fade to

2992
02:40:34,260 --> 02:40:29,560
black who's calling hi Jimmy its Marilyn

2993
02:40:36,090 --> 02:40:34,270
hi Marilyn how are you I'm doing good

2994
02:40:41,429 --> 02:40:36,100
how are you

2995
02:40:42,240 --> 02:40:41,439
what a show right yeah really good yeah

2996
02:40:47,130 --> 02:40:42,250
what did you think

2997
02:40:49,530 --> 02:40:47,140
hello um that's actually the first or

2998
02:40:51,330 --> 02:40:49,540
second time I had listened to Travis the

2999
02:40:54,870 --> 02:40:51,340
first time um

3000
02:40:57,929 --> 02:40:54,880
I listened to him before like that first

3001
02:40:59,399 --> 02:40:57,939
time you brought him on the show it was

3002
02:41:02,069 --> 02:40:59,409
way before I start listening afraid of

3003
02:41:04,530 --> 02:41:02,079
black well I listened to him because I

3004
02:41:07,139 --> 02:41:04,540
was going to go to I was going to the

3005
02:41:09,599 --> 02:41:07,149
Ozark Mountain UFO conference last year

3006
02:41:11,460 --> 02:41:09,609
and I didn't really know who he was so I

3007
02:41:15,450 --> 02:41:11,470
wanted to find out a little bit about

3008
02:41:16,800 --> 02:41:15,460
him so after listening to that to that

3009
02:41:19,229 --> 02:41:16,810
first show of yours

3010
02:41:24,809 --> 02:41:19,239
I saw his movie and I was like wow like

3011
02:41:29,849 --> 02:41:24,819
this was great so he's amazing he's so

3012
02:41:33,000 --> 02:41:29,859
honest yeah and he seemed like a really

3013
02:41:34,800 --> 02:41:33,010
nice person a really good person you

3014
02:41:38,359 --> 02:41:34,810
know I'm gonna be honest with you

3015
02:41:47,960 --> 02:41:38,369
Maryland on shows like this on any show

3016
02:41:50,609 --> 02:41:47,970
I think that he he it's a it affects him

3017
02:41:55,080 --> 02:41:50,619
emotionally I'm gonna tell you straight

3018
02:41:57,990 --> 02:41:55,090
up when you are around him one on one

3019
02:42:00,331 --> 02:41:58,000
and and and he accepts you for that he

3020
02:42:04,591 --> 02:42:00,341
is one of the funniest guys he's

3021
02:42:07,831 --> 02:42:04,601
got jokes he's he just loves to talk and

3022
02:42:14,031 --> 02:42:07,841
just fit life and in general and I

3023
02:42:18,091 --> 02:42:14,041
remember one day he went out and got

3024
02:42:21,091 --> 02:42:18,101
Mexican food are you there are you okay

3025
02:42:25,051 --> 02:42:21,101
are you yeah yeah I'm okay he went out

3026
02:42:26,881 --> 02:42:25,061
and so anyway he goes we're sitting

3027
02:42:29,191 --> 02:42:26,891
there talking and I was eating he's

3028
02:42:30,720 --> 02:42:29,201
eating and he bites into this burrito

3029
02:42:34,621 --> 02:42:30,730
and he's like man is the most amazing

3030
02:42:38,401 --> 02:42:34,631
burrito ever and he hands it to me you

3031
02:42:43,021 --> 02:42:38,411
gotta take a bite of this I don't know

3032
02:42:46,981 --> 02:42:43,031
so I I took a bite of his burrito and it

3033
02:42:49,231 --> 02:42:46,991
was good yeah but that's who he is

3034
02:42:52,411 --> 02:42:49,241
you know he's just as normal and is

3035
02:42:55,801 --> 02:42:52,421
funny and as cool as anybody else that

3036
02:42:58,321 --> 02:42:55,811
you can think of and and so I try to get

3037
02:43:01,021 --> 02:42:58,331
him in that comfort zone here you know

3038
02:43:03,271 --> 02:43:01,031
back to okay you know out to the the guy

3039
02:43:06,031 --> 02:43:03,281
that that I know the audience would just

3040
02:43:11,220 --> 02:43:06,041
love to hang out with so and he plays a

3041
02:43:14,911 --> 02:43:11,230
mean guitar too yeah um I was calling in

3042
02:43:17,131 --> 02:43:14,921
to cuz they're just historic kind of

3043
02:43:21,151 --> 02:43:17,141
reminded me of something my grandpa told

3044
02:43:24,691 --> 02:43:21,161
me he said when he was young and you

3045
02:43:27,001 --> 02:43:24,701
know he lived in Mexico um well usually

3046
02:43:30,001 --> 02:43:27,011
they they believe in witches down there

3047
02:43:32,251 --> 02:43:30,011
believe witches are real and I told my

3048
02:43:34,591 --> 02:43:32,261
ass was years ago and told him grandpa

3049
02:43:36,811 --> 02:43:34,601
have you ever seen any witches he's like

3050
02:43:41,521 --> 02:43:36,821
I don't know he's like but I remember

3051
02:43:44,791 --> 02:43:41,531
one night I saw three three lights in

3052
02:43:46,621 --> 02:43:44,801
the sky just moving around that's it and

3053
02:43:48,091 --> 02:43:46,631
then now I kind of think back on that

3054
02:43:50,850 --> 02:43:48,101
I'm like I don't think that was witches

3055
02:43:53,761 --> 02:43:50,860
like you know who knows what it could

3056
02:43:56,911 --> 02:43:53,771
have been if I asked him now he probably

3057
02:43:59,521 --> 02:43:56,921
wouldn't really comprehend that kind of

3058
02:44:02,581 --> 02:43:59,531
stuff I'm not trying to you talk down on

3059
02:44:05,791 --> 02:44:02,591
him but he just didn't really have that

3060
02:44:09,261 --> 02:44:05,801
level of education do because he was in

3061
02:44:12,421 --> 02:44:09,271
poor poor living and all that stuff but

3062
02:44:13,360 --> 02:44:12,431
yeah yep you're right about that

3063
02:44:16,570 --> 02:44:13,370
darlin

3064
02:44:17,200 --> 02:44:16,580
and and thank you for the phone call be

3065
02:44:19,870 --> 02:44:17,210
safe

3066
02:44:21,790 --> 02:44:19,880
be well do all of that stuff Thank You

3067
02:44:25,210 --> 02:44:21,800
Marilyn okay

3068
02:44:27,639 --> 02:44:25,220
thank you great phone call Travis all's

3069
02:44:31,270 --> 02:44:27,649
and she just reminded me Travis wanted

3070
02:44:36,810 --> 02:44:31,280
to hear from anybody out there back in

3071
02:44:41,349 --> 02:44:36,820
February 12th I think he said it was in

3072
02:44:46,630 --> 02:44:41,359
2014 he was here in Burbank speaking at

3073
02:44:51,580 --> 02:44:46,640
you pars with us Steve Murillo and on

3074
02:44:53,830 --> 02:44:51,590
his way back to Arizona to take property

3075
02:44:55,690 --> 02:44:53,840
who's on the five freeway heading north

3076
02:45:00,639 --> 02:44:55,700
up into the mountain into the grapevine

3077
02:45:03,370 --> 02:45:00,649
he saw a huge black triangle there were

3078
02:45:06,190 --> 02:45:03,380
other witnesses and other reports of

3079
02:45:12,370 --> 02:45:06,200
this sighting but he wants to hear from

3080
02:45:15,969 --> 02:45:12,380
you so if be weary 2014 February 12th or

3081
02:45:20,380 --> 02:45:15,979
13th 2014 which was a Tuesday by the way

3082
02:45:23,260 --> 02:45:20,390
if you saw anything contact us let us

3083
02:45:25,480 --> 02:45:23,270
know I'll pass everything on to Travis

3084
02:45:26,950 --> 02:45:25,490
for you all right let's go back to the

3085
02:45:33,780 --> 02:45:26,960
phones hi you're live on fade to black

3086
02:45:38,200 --> 02:45:33,790
who's calling you're live Jimmy yes

3087
02:45:39,730 --> 02:45:38,210
awesome hey this is Jeremy I'm calling

3088
02:45:41,740 --> 02:45:39,740
you I'm actually calling you from

3089
02:45:43,570 --> 02:45:41,750
Burbank right now oh that's weird

3090
02:45:47,260 --> 02:45:43,580
well no not whenever there's other

3091
02:45:48,160 --> 02:45:47,270
people that Burbank how are you man I'm

3092
02:45:51,639 --> 02:45:48,170
good thank you

3093
02:45:55,870 --> 02:45:51,649
hey I just called with request what's up

3094
02:45:57,160 --> 02:45:55,880
and there the request is this in 2004

3095
02:46:01,540 --> 02:45:57,170
approximately around there

3096
02:46:04,300 --> 02:46:01,550
coast-to-coast had a 911 round table he

3097
02:46:06,310 --> 02:46:04,310
was the first time that a group of

3098
02:46:09,690 --> 02:46:06,320
people were gathered together to talk

3099
02:46:14,380 --> 02:46:09,700
about the alternative happenings of

3100
02:46:16,540 --> 02:46:14,390
around 9/11 the series 9/11 I think that

3101
02:46:19,810 --> 02:46:16,550
was actually the day that 9/11 truth was

3102
02:46:22,570 --> 02:46:19,820
born because there was so many different

3103
02:46:25,389 --> 02:46:22,580
theories that were hosted what I'm

3104
02:46:27,190 --> 02:46:25,399
calling you about is I think that you're

3105
02:46:32,610 --> 02:46:27,200
the perfect host and

3106
02:46:35,921 --> 02:46:32,620
egle to host a Las Vegas route 91

3107
02:46:39,460 --> 02:46:35,931
October 10 one

3108
02:46:42,160 --> 02:46:39,470
while and and and I think that that I

3109
02:46:44,381 --> 02:46:42,170
think it would be wonderful radio I

3110
02:46:46,660 --> 02:46:44,391
actually I tried to make the request to

3111
02:46:48,640 --> 02:46:46,670
another alt radio host and you know

3112
02:46:51,070 --> 02:46:48,650
didn't really get that much interest and

3113
02:46:54,610 --> 02:46:51,080
you know I'm just kind of like I I

3114
02:46:57,820 --> 02:46:54,620
really think it would be spectacular to

3115
02:46:59,921 --> 02:46:57,830
do it you know I mean if anything it's

3116
02:47:01,360 --> 02:46:59,931
not I don't know what people would learn

3117
02:47:04,330 --> 02:47:01,370
but it would be incredibly entertaining

3118
02:47:07,390 --> 02:47:04,340
you know well yes and somebody would

3119
02:47:10,000 --> 02:47:07,400
learn something from it I mean you you

3120
02:47:13,240 --> 02:47:10,010
know probably as much as anybody that I

3121
02:47:15,910 --> 02:47:13,250
was and still am pretty outspoken about

3122
02:47:17,921 --> 02:47:15,920
that because of the silence from the

3123
02:47:20,770 --> 02:47:17,931
authorities you know we're not getting

3124
02:47:24,370 --> 02:47:20,780
any real answers out of them and it's it

3125
02:47:26,470 --> 02:47:24,380
and and the media shut it down to for

3126
02:47:29,200 --> 02:47:26,480
something that big to have happened and

3127
02:47:31,750 --> 02:47:29,210
then to have the media just go away on

3128
02:47:34,030 --> 02:47:31,760
it and it just felt weird to me it's

3129
02:47:36,011 --> 02:47:34,040
we're not getting the full story no

3130
02:47:39,160 --> 02:47:36,021
matter what and we learned our lessons

3131
02:47:42,940 --> 02:47:39,170
from 9/11 I'm talking about the audience

3132
02:47:45,820 --> 02:47:42,950
right if we we now know what to look for

3133
02:47:49,270 --> 02:47:45,830
and and and answers and to ask the right

3134
02:47:52,000 --> 02:47:49,280
questions 9/11 shocked us and we we got

3135
02:47:54,610 --> 02:47:52,010
complacent too quick like you said it

3136
02:47:58,330 --> 02:47:54,620
took to 2004 to put together the round

3137
02:48:02,921 --> 02:47:58,340
table this time around we're asking

3138
02:48:05,171 --> 02:48:02,931
those questions yes we're asking those

3139
02:48:07,390 --> 02:48:05,181
questions and there's quite a few people

3140
02:48:09,820 --> 02:48:07,400
that have taken it upon themselves if

3141
02:48:12,220 --> 02:48:09,830
you want to call them you know new media

3142
02:48:14,860 --> 02:48:12,230
startups as far as journalists that have

3143
02:48:18,220 --> 02:48:14,870
really just spent an enormous amount of

3144
02:48:22,600 --> 02:48:18,230
time maybe too much time and consumed

3145
02:48:24,250 --> 02:48:22,610
with it and so they have so much you

3146
02:48:25,930 --> 02:48:24,260
know information that they've gathered

3147
02:48:27,881 --> 02:48:25,940
there's theories I'm thinking of two

3148
02:48:31,810 --> 02:48:27,891
people in particular but I know there's

3149
02:48:33,790 --> 02:48:31,820
more I'm thinking of Intel ahum which is

3150
02:48:37,600 --> 02:48:33,800
Shepard and Bella he's not of awesome

3151
02:48:40,090 --> 02:48:37,610
mm-hmm I'm thinking of a lady who's huge

3152
02:48:42,670 --> 02:48:40,100
on the web with a political presence

3153
02:48:45,700 --> 02:48:42,680
and her she goes by the name the same

3154
02:48:49,929 --> 02:48:45,710
progressive her name is Debbie Lusignan

3155
02:48:52,510 --> 02:48:49,939
but she got into Vegas and got in super

3156
02:48:54,849 --> 02:48:52,520
deep and they come from she's totally

3157
02:48:56,649 --> 02:48:54,859
different sides of the spectrum so it

3158
02:48:59,670 --> 02:48:56,659
would be very interesting to have like

3159
02:49:02,500 --> 02:48:59,680
perspective like that on the show and

3160
02:49:04,630 --> 02:49:02,510
you know to see where people are coming

3161
02:49:06,280 --> 02:49:04,640
from and there's others too I know you

3162
02:49:09,820 --> 02:49:06,290
know Laura Loomer was on the ground and

3163
02:49:12,490 --> 02:49:09,830
stuff like that there but definitely I

3164
02:49:15,609 --> 02:49:12,500
think that you know and your abilities

3165
02:49:17,740 --> 02:49:15,619
to to moderate and keep people in check

3166
02:49:20,800 --> 02:49:17,750
but yet let everybody have something to

3167
02:49:23,260 --> 02:49:20,810
say man it would be great and even what

3168
02:49:25,960 --> 02:49:23,270
if it's on fade to black if you take it

3169
02:49:28,149 --> 02:49:25,970
to coast whatever the point is is just

3170
02:49:30,580 --> 02:49:28,159
somebody do it would you do me a favor

3171
02:49:32,590 --> 02:49:30,590
huh what's your name again I'm sorry my

3172
02:49:38,109 --> 02:49:32,600
name my name is Jeremy I would generate

3173
02:49:41,530 --> 02:49:38,119
you a tweet today I think okay Jeremy

3174
02:49:44,080 --> 02:49:41,540
I'm sure you did but let me just say

3175
02:49:48,160 --> 02:49:44,090
that shoot me an email to shoot me an

3176
02:49:51,849 --> 02:49:48,170
email and and copy read on it and refer

3177
02:49:55,450 --> 02:49:51,859
back to this and and give me your your

3178
02:49:59,559 --> 02:49:55,460
short list of who you think and and I

3179
02:50:01,750 --> 02:49:59,569
think that's a good show okay so I'm not

3180
02:50:05,530 --> 02:50:01,760
gonna be whoever that halt radio host

3181
02:50:07,269 --> 02:50:05,540
was I think I think I think I agree with

3182
02:50:09,700 --> 02:50:07,279
the other thing that's a good show so

3183
02:50:14,410 --> 02:50:09,710
why don't you send me an email remind me

3184
02:50:16,750 --> 02:50:14,420
so we can follow up fair okay thank you

3185
02:50:18,639 --> 02:50:16,760
very much done deal Jeremy from Burbank

3186
02:50:21,130 --> 02:50:18,649
right down the street you're not looking

3187
02:50:26,620 --> 02:50:21,140
for the bunker are you have you tried to

3188
02:50:28,960 --> 02:50:26,630
no man I'm like near victory and Burbank

3189
02:50:31,260 --> 02:50:28,970
Boulevard right now I'm working okay

3190
02:50:35,859 --> 02:50:31,270
where were two blocks from you

3191
02:50:39,010 --> 02:50:35,869
look out okay there's a parking lot up

3192
02:50:42,399 --> 02:50:39,020
next to the parking structure up next to

3193
02:50:46,599 --> 02:50:42,409
the to the mall okay

3194
02:50:49,420 --> 02:50:46,609
we're underneath that so that now are

3195
02:50:51,990 --> 02:50:49,430
you tripping out yeah really

3196
02:50:53,980 --> 02:50:52,000
alright Jeremy have a great night man

3197
02:50:56,380 --> 02:50:53,990
alright you too

3198
02:50:59,320 --> 02:50:56,390
I'll talk to you and don't forget to

3199
02:51:03,670 --> 02:50:59,330
send me that email Jeremy hi you're live

3200
02:51:07,210 --> 02:51:03,680
on fade to black hey how's it going

3201
02:51:09,100 --> 02:51:07,220
Jimmy it's going good who's this this is

3202
02:51:12,210 --> 02:51:09,110
r.j. calling from San Francisco

3203
02:51:15,190 --> 02:51:12,220
RJ from San Francisco how are you man

3204
02:51:17,770 --> 02:51:15,200
yes sir doing fantastic having a great

3205
02:51:20,290 --> 02:51:17,780
night so far I was just listening the

3206
02:51:22,900 --> 02:51:20,300
show tonight and I've been listening

3207
02:51:25,150 --> 02:51:22,910
just recently more or less a new

3208
02:51:27,310 --> 02:51:25,160
listener so everything's been great so

3209
02:51:28,870 --> 02:51:27,320
far the shows been fantastic thank you

3210
02:51:32,380 --> 02:51:28,880
for that would you think it Travis

3211
02:51:35,230 --> 02:51:32,390
tonight pretty pretty amazing oh yeah no

3212
02:51:36,940 --> 02:51:35,240
it was so awesome you know all the

3213
02:51:39,550 --> 02:51:36,950
different you know topics he was

3214
02:51:40,810 --> 02:51:39,560
bringing it but the thing that I called

3215
02:51:43,330 --> 02:51:40,820
about that I thought it was interesting

3216
02:51:44,170 --> 02:51:43,340
was you know bringing up the whole owl

3217
02:51:48,250 --> 02:51:44,180
thing again

3218
02:51:50,590 --> 02:51:48,260
so I actually yeah I knew I knew

3219
02:51:53,500 --> 02:51:50,600
everybody Larry respond to that yeah

3220
02:51:55,540 --> 02:51:53,510
would you think yeah so wool no I

3221
02:51:57,100 --> 02:51:55,550
thought it was really interesting and it

3222
02:51:59,650 --> 02:51:57,110
brought back an experience that I had

3223
02:52:02,530 --> 02:51:59,660
where I actually lived in the Presidio

3224
02:52:03,969 --> 02:52:02,540
in San Francisco it's old military base

3225
02:52:05,560 --> 02:52:03,979
and you know it's kind of a natural area

3226
02:52:08,380 --> 02:52:05,570
so it's coming back to the gym one night

3227
02:52:10,420 --> 02:52:08,390
it's kind of dusk and you know I saw

3228
02:52:11,890 --> 02:52:10,430
this owl in the tree and it was like you

3229
02:52:15,400 --> 02:52:11,900
know right on the side of the trail

3230
02:52:16,390 --> 02:52:15,410
about six feet above me and then stood

3231
02:52:18,370 --> 02:52:16,400
there looking at it for a little while

3232
02:52:20,530 --> 02:52:18,380
and then turned around and there was

3233
02:52:22,180 --> 02:52:20,540
another one you know right in the tree

3234
02:52:23,650 --> 02:52:22,190
next to me that had swooped in and I

3235
02:52:26,260 --> 02:52:23,660
didn't hear it and it was just kind of a

3236
02:52:29,020 --> 02:52:26,270
creative experience and then heard this

3237
02:52:34,300 --> 02:52:29,030
story and then you know got me thinking

3238
02:52:37,180 --> 02:52:34,310
I know you know I'm going to tell you

3239
02:52:39,880 --> 02:52:37,190
something funny before we have to wrap

3240
02:52:42,520 --> 02:52:39,890
the show but Tripp oh yeah Tripp on this

3241
02:52:43,180 --> 02:52:42,530
so you live at the Presidio all right

3242
02:52:46,980 --> 02:52:43,190
yes I do

3243
02:52:50,350 --> 02:52:46,990
my dad was stationed there okay no way

3244
02:52:52,120 --> 02:52:50,360
now the main road that runs along the

3245
02:52:55,990 --> 02:52:52,130
bottom of the Presidio next to the bay

3246
02:53:00,070 --> 02:52:56,000
right his house was like the third house

3247
02:53:02,530 --> 02:53:00,080
in from the bridge and the back of his

3248
02:53:04,840 --> 02:53:02,540
house looked up underneath the Golden

3249
02:53:07,751 --> 02:53:04,850
Gate I'm is like right there boom oh

3250
02:53:10,301 --> 02:53:07,761
yeah I know exactly rear tine

3251
02:53:12,430 --> 02:53:10,311
right there go to the gym every day man

3252
02:53:16,110 --> 02:53:12,440
I looked at I looked at his house right

3253
02:53:18,520 --> 02:53:16,120
I didn't live there my mouth him he was

3254
02:53:21,310 --> 02:53:18,530
older you know I'd already moved out of

3255
02:53:24,520 --> 02:53:21,320
the house by that point but so I'm there

3256
02:53:29,251 --> 02:53:24,530
and and I'm looking I'm like dude you

3257
02:53:31,360 --> 02:53:29,261
know what somebody would pay for this oh

3258
02:53:33,881 --> 02:53:31,370
my god yeah I know

3259
02:53:38,680 --> 02:53:33,891
and it's government housing for him

3260
02:53:40,661 --> 02:53:38,690
right and and we yeah the view of you

3261
02:53:43,690 --> 02:53:40,671
know and now it's it's all private now

3262
02:53:45,551 --> 02:53:43,700
right they closed it down well you say

3263
02:53:48,011 --> 02:53:45,561
it so it turned into the military basin

3264
02:53:50,081 --> 02:53:48,021
or the early 90s and or excuse me from

3265
02:53:52,570 --> 02:53:50,091
the military base but now it's still

3266
02:53:54,610 --> 02:53:52,580
federal so I actually pay my rent to the

3267
02:53:56,711 --> 02:53:54,620
federal government and it's crazy one of

3268
02:53:58,331 --> 02:53:56,721
the houses down the street from me was

3269
02:53:59,951 --> 02:53:58,341
going on for around like eight thousand

3270
02:54:01,390 --> 02:53:59,961
nine thousand dollars a month and this

3271
02:54:03,761 --> 02:54:01,400
is like a three-bedroom one of the brick

3272
02:54:05,890 --> 02:54:03,771
houses right right crazy right

3273
02:54:08,020 --> 02:54:05,900
it's crazy it's it's insane but yeah

3274
02:54:09,220 --> 02:54:08,030
it's fantastic living out here I felt

3275
02:54:10,600 --> 02:54:09,230
like if you're blindfolded somebody

3276
02:54:12,371 --> 02:54:10,610
draws them out here they wouldn't know

3277
02:54:14,501 --> 02:54:12,381
they're in San Francisco so I'm from

3278
02:54:16,270 --> 02:54:14,511
Oregon and so I love it it's great yeah

3279
02:54:18,791 --> 02:54:16,280
absolutely I think that's what he had a

3280
02:54:20,591 --> 02:54:18,801
three bedroom one of the red brick

3281
02:54:22,600 --> 02:54:20,601
it was definitely red brick and three

3282
02:54:24,850 --> 02:54:22,610
bedroom and just when we were talking

3283
02:54:27,070 --> 02:54:24,860
about the same thing but anyway just I

3284
02:54:30,730 --> 02:54:27,080
turned around and I just looked at the

3285
02:54:33,610 --> 02:54:30,740
bay you know looking across going north

3286
02:54:36,881 --> 02:54:33,620
you just thinking this would be insane

3287
02:54:39,820 --> 02:54:36,891
if it was private you know I know it's

3288
02:54:41,560 --> 02:54:39,830
just crazy all right man RJ thank you

3289
02:54:43,841 --> 02:54:41,570
for the phone call and the whole out

3290
02:54:45,761 --> 02:54:43,851
yeah thank you so much yeah the whole I

3291
02:54:47,680 --> 02:54:45,771
will throw yeah now that Travis has

3292
02:54:49,631 --> 02:54:47,690
brought it up you know everybody's gonna

3293
02:54:52,240 --> 02:54:49,641
listen to that I'll get the emails we'll

3294
02:54:54,131 --> 02:54:52,250
get the phone calls but that's the part

3295
02:54:56,740 --> 02:54:54,141
of awareness right most people would

3296
02:54:58,001 --> 02:54:56,750
never make that connection and though

3297
02:54:59,560 --> 02:54:58,011
yeah there's all these sort of

3298
02:55:01,810 --> 02:54:59,570
synchronicities out there you just gotta

3299
02:55:04,180 --> 02:55:01,820
find them each day you know absolutely

3300
02:55:06,041 --> 02:55:04,190
hey RJ thank you for the phone call my

3301
02:55:07,301 --> 02:55:06,051
friend great phone yeah thank you so

3302
02:55:09,041 --> 02:55:07,311
much for the show hope you have a

3303
02:55:10,171 --> 02:55:09,051
fantastic evening yeah you too men don't

3304
02:55:12,581 --> 02:55:10,181
be a stranger

3305
02:55:15,791 --> 02:55:12,591
alright definitely not have a good one

3306
02:55:16,270 --> 02:55:15,801
yeah you too RJ from San Francisco right

3307
02:55:19,769 --> 02:55:16,280
there

3308
02:55:23,889 --> 02:55:19,779
and yeah the whole thing

3309
02:55:28,260 --> 02:55:23,899
for when I say owl thing this has been

3310
02:55:31,990 --> 02:55:28,270
spoken about I was just a reminded of

3311
02:55:34,990 --> 02:55:32,000
Clinton's book about this too as well

3312
02:55:37,660 --> 02:55:35,000
and where he referenced it but every

3313
02:55:40,120 --> 02:55:37,670
time we bring up owls I get the emails I

3314
02:55:42,700 --> 02:55:40,130
get the phone calls I haven't had the

3315
02:55:47,469 --> 02:55:42,710
owl experience I haven't had it myself

3316
02:55:52,149 --> 02:55:47,479
but Travis brought it up so there you go

3317
02:55:55,229 --> 02:55:52,159
all right wrapping up our first night

3318
02:55:59,380 --> 02:55:55,239
back after conscious life Expo and

3319
02:56:02,920 --> 02:55:59,390
tomorrow night's okay now tomorrow night

3320
02:56:05,290 --> 02:56:02,930
we're gonna do a special tribute for

3321
02:56:07,300 --> 02:56:05,300
John Anthony West I want to remind

3322
02:56:12,580 --> 02:56:07,310
everybody what's going on we're gonna

3323
02:56:14,849 --> 02:56:12,590
have dr. Robert Schoch here who was you

3324
02:56:18,309 --> 02:56:14,859
know instrumental with with everything

3325
02:56:21,490 --> 02:56:18,319
with the Sphinx and the dating and all

3326
02:56:25,179 --> 02:56:21,500
of those revelations that change the

3327
02:56:29,229 --> 02:56:25,189
world on Egyptian history with John

3328
02:56:30,910 --> 02:56:29,239
Anthony West going back to 1991 so he is

3329
02:56:33,040 --> 02:56:30,920
going to be here tomorrow night

3330
02:56:36,370 --> 02:56:33,050
he he asked to do this so we're gonna do

3331
02:56:39,250 --> 02:56:36,380
this and he will be on with us for the

3332
02:56:42,250 --> 02:56:39,260
first hour and then chance Gardner who

3333
02:56:45,130 --> 02:56:42,260
directed magical Egypt 1 & 2 with John

3334
02:56:46,599 --> 02:56:45,140
Anthony West he's gonna be with us for

3335
02:56:48,550 --> 02:56:46,609
the second hour we're gonna take phone

3336
02:56:51,639 --> 02:56:48,560
calls we're gonna tell some stories

3337
02:56:54,580 --> 02:56:51,649
we're gonna have some fun and maybe I'll

3338
02:56:56,979 --> 02:56:54,590
knock back some chilled vodka John

3339
02:57:01,389 --> 02:56:56,989
Anthony West a drink of choice that in

3340
02:57:05,740 --> 02:57:01,399
scotch and we just at the conscious life

3341
02:57:08,920 --> 02:57:05,750
Expo did a tribute to Jim Marrs and John

3342
02:57:11,349 --> 02:57:08,930
Anthony West there and the reaction from

3343
02:57:13,990 --> 02:57:11,359
everybody they didn't expect it and

3344
02:57:17,139 --> 02:57:14,000
their whereas this was the something

3345
02:57:18,880 --> 02:57:17,149
that surprised me when I had announced

3346
02:57:22,479 --> 02:57:18,890
that you know John Anthony West had

3347
02:57:24,490 --> 02:57:22,489
passed away a couple of days prior many

3348
02:57:27,910 --> 02:57:24,500
didn't know and they got the news

3349
02:57:32,320 --> 02:57:27,920
they're at the conscious life Expo and

3350
02:57:35,260 --> 02:57:32,330
and the the attribute that we did there

3351
02:57:38,020 --> 02:57:35,270
we did the best that we could for the

3352
02:57:39,880 --> 02:57:38,030
moment but we also and this includes

3353
02:57:43,679 --> 02:57:39,890
tomorrow night I just want to let

3354
02:57:46,660 --> 02:57:43,689
everybody know I'm not here to be sad

3355
02:57:50,820 --> 02:57:46,670
I'm not and I didn't want to bum

3356
02:57:54,969 --> 02:57:50,830
everybody out Friday night and we didn't

3357
02:57:58,960 --> 02:57:54,979
everybody just at that moment was just

3358
02:58:01,420 --> 02:57:58,970
at at one with themselves and so we're

3359
02:58:03,520 --> 02:58:01,430
not here to to pay tribute and bond

3360
02:58:05,350 --> 02:58:03,530
everybody out we're here to have some

3361
02:58:08,110 --> 02:58:05,360
fun tomorrow night and we're gonna do

3362
02:58:11,320 --> 02:58:08,120
that with Robert Schoch and chance

3363
02:58:13,030 --> 02:58:11,330
Gardner so come on in and hang out with

3364
02:58:16,420 --> 02:58:13,040
us tomorrow night it's going to be great

3365
02:58:18,790 --> 02:58:16,430
and there you go this is another fade to

3366
02:58:21,460 --> 02:58:18,800
black in the can I want to thank the one

3367
02:58:23,800 --> 02:58:21,470
and only Travis Walton great

3368
02:58:27,429 --> 02:58:23,810
conversation tonight I learned some

3369
02:58:29,950 --> 02:58:27,439
things that I didn't know Travis is the

3370
02:58:31,990 --> 02:58:29,960
best there you go fade to black

3371
02:58:34,390 --> 02:58:32,000
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3372
02:58:36,250 --> 02:58:34,400
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3373
02:58:38,370 --> 02:58:36,260
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3374
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3375
02:58:45,850 --> 02:58:42,650
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3376
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3377
02:59:00,429 --> 02:58:49,430
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3378
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3379
02:59:06,070 --> 02:59:02,990
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3380
02:59:07,660 --> 02:59:06,080
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3381
02:59:09,940 --> 02:59:07,670
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3382
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3383
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3384
02:59:18,010 --> 02:59:14,900
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3385
02:59:20,520 --> 02:59:18,020
Anthony West tribute but until then

3386
02:59:22,630 --> 02:59:20,530
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3387
02:59:26,250 --> 02:59:22,640
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3388
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